From: Kristian Benoit <kbenoit@opersys.com>
To: Karim Yaghmour <karim@opersys.com>
Cc: James R Bruce <bruce@andrew.cmu.edu>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, paulmck@us.ibm.com, bhuey@lnxw.com,
andrea@suse.de, tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@elte.hu,
pmarques@grupopie.com, nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au, ak@muc.de,
sdietrich@mvista.com, dwalker@mvista.com, hch@infradead.org,
akpm@osdl.org, rpm@xenomai.org
Subject: Re: PREEMPT_RT vs ADEOS: the numbers, part 1
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 22:32:24 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1118629944.5787.3.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <42AC91E3.7090509@opersys.com>
On Sun, 2005-06-12 at 15:49 -0400, Karim Yaghmour wrote:
> James R Bruce wrote:
> > It seems that running lmbench improves the maximum response time
> > considerably compared to an idle system, unless you touch the
> > hard drive. That sort of thing makes very little sense though,
> > and thus is likely an artifact of the testing. Maybe the test
> > needs to be run for longer, or maybe each test should be
> > duplicated a few times? I realize the max is always going to be
> > pretty noisy, but we can't really compare approaches much if it
> > jumps around by a factor of 2.5. Then again, maybe lmbench *does*
> > improve latency and that would definitely be a bug somewhere that
> > you've uncovered :)
>
> Actually I personally read these numbers as being very good. What
> I see here is that there were exactly two maximums on 5 different
> configs and that standard deviation was always close to 0. What that
> means is that Adeos' performance degradation is stepwise and can be
> studied (i.e. in order to obtain things like: 60% of the time your
> maximum will be 53us and 40% of the time, it'll be 22us.) I don't
> think there's any correlation between the setup and the maximum
> observed. Instead, it's more like ints were generated by the logger
> every 1ms and 1ms is an eternity, so on every odd moon, a combination
> of factors resulted in the 53 us actually occuring, but on other
> setups, with luck, the maximum was less.
>
> The real remedy to this would be to certainly run longer tests, but
> more importantly, it would be to generate a lot more interrupts from
> the logger at random times instead of just every 1ms. This would
> avoid any sort of artificial sync that may occur between the logger
> and the target by virtue of having the logger generate interrupts at
> exactly every 1ms. This type of test, though, would be more
> complicated and it would require very careful design on the logger
> side to avoid introducing any sort of articial latency into the
> measurement process.
>
> > The nicest results would be CDFs or histograms of the response
> > times, plotted againts each other for east comparison. Obviously
> > that makes more work for you, however. If we can get full traces
> > from the logger as text, then its easy for us to make such graphs,
> > or add some scripts to your testbed once its released to generate
> > them automatically with gnuplot/etc.
>
> We will be providing full traces, amongst other things. And
> getting additions/modifications allowing the automatic generation
> of graphs, and other stuff would be great.
>
> Karim
All that sounds like lots of job and fun tomorrow morning. I better go
to sleep !!!
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Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-06-11 4:36 PREEMPT_RT vs ADEOS: the numbers, part 1 Kristian Benoit
2005-06-11 6:14 ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-11 9:15 ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-06-11 14:15 ` Kristian Benoit
2005-06-12 15:48 ` Philippe Gerum
2005-06-11 14:39 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-11 22:14 ` Philippe Gerum
2005-06-11 13:57 ` Kristian Benoit
2005-06-11 14:28 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-06-11 7:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-11 7:44 ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-11 9:27 ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-06-12 15:31 ` Philippe Gerum
2005-06-11 14:28 ` Kristian Benoit
2005-06-11 10:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-11 14:23 ` Kristian Benoit
2005-06-11 14:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-11 14:31 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-11 14:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-11 14:52 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-11 17:40 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-11 18:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-11 18:34 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-11 22:27 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-12 10:47 ` James R Bruce
2005-06-12 14:54 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-13 2:39 ` Kristian Benoit
2005-06-11 19:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-11 22:31 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-12 6:11 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-12 15:26 ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-12 19:29 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-12 20:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-13 0:45 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-13 1:20 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 5:47 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-12 22:20 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-12 23:03 ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-06-13 0:53 ` randy_dunlap
2005-06-13 1:12 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 6:51 ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-06-13 15:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-13 15:12 ` Kristian Benoit
2005-06-11 19:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-12 4:21 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-11 20:14 ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-11 22:33 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-12 20:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-12 11:11 ` James R Bruce
2005-06-12 19:49 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 2:32 ` Kristian Benoit [this message]
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