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From: Nigel Cunningham <ncunningham@cyclades.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [43/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 619-userspace-nofreeze.patch
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:29:00 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1121149739.13869.7.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050710231508.GI513@infradead.org>

Hi.

On Mon, 2005-07-11 at 09:15, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> UI support is nothing that belongs here.  People won't die by having a text console for
> a while.

UI support belongs here for the following reasons:

- While driver support is imperfect, there is the potential for hangs.
People need to be able to recognise when this happens. They therefore
need some feedback to know that the process is not hung, and to be able
to say where it hung when it does.
- Particularly for the desktop, we want the system to look professional,
not half baked.
- Some support is needed for the user to be able to cancel a suspend.
You might not want to. Others might not want to, but this doesn't mean
that others shouldn't have the option of changing their minds.

I have already moved much of the code out to userspace in an effort to
ease your concerns. I'm not going so far as to remove the functionality,
though.

Regards,

Nigel
-- 
Evolution.
Enumerate the requirements.
Consider the interdependencies.
Calculate the probabilities.
Be amazed that people believe it happened. 


  reply	other threads:[~2005-07-12  6:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 187+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-07-06  2:20 [0/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12 Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [2/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 300-reboot-handler-hook.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 10:08   ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-06 10:18     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [5/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 350-workthreads.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 23:04   ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-07-12  6:40     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-12 10:57       ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-12 11:07         ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-12 11:15           ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-12 11:25             ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-12 11:25               ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-12 11:45                 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [6/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 351-syncthreads.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [4/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 302-init-hooks.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  8:38   ` Shaohua Li
2005-07-06  8:35     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 15:38     ` Bernard Blackham
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [3/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 301-proc-acpi-sleep-activate-hook.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 23:03   ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-07-12  6:45     ` Nigel Cunningham
     [not found]       ` <E1DsHMp-00062f-00@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
2005-07-12 10:07         ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-12 10:22           ` Matthew Garrett
2005-07-12 10:34             ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [1/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: submit_intro Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  6:37   ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-06  8:12   ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [8/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 353-disable-highmem-tlb-flush-for-copyback.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [7/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 352-disable-pdflush-during-suspend.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  3:34   ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-07-06  3:43     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 13:27       ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-07-06  8:08   ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-06  9:52   ` Russell King
2005-07-10 23:07   ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [12/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 402-mtrr-remove-sysdev.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 23:07   ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-07-12  6:33     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [14/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 404-check-mounts-support.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  8:15   ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-06  8:30     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [10/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 360-reset-kswapd-max-order-after-resume.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 23:09   ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-07-12  9:05     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [9/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 354-disable-mce-checking-during-suspend-avoid-smp-deadlock.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-09 11:49   ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-09 12:02     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [13/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 403-debug-pagealloc-support.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 23:02   ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-07-12  6:48     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [11/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 401-e820-table-support.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  3:35   ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-07-06  3:44     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  8:04       ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-06 13:29       ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [17/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 500-version-specific-i386.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  3:43   ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [18/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 501-tlb-flushing-functions.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-09 11:52   ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [22/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 560-Kconfig-and-Makefile-for-suspend2.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [19/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 510-version-specific-mac.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  3:49   ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  5:30     ` hugang
2005-07-06  6:03       ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  3:53   ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-07-06  3:59     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 13:40       ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-07-06  5:58   ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-06  6:21     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 10:04     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [16/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 406-dynamic-pageflags.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  7:46   ` Shaohua Li
2005-07-06  8:13     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  8:30       ` Shaohua Li
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [20/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 520-version-specific-x86_64.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [15/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 405-clear-swapfile-bdev-in-swapoff.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [21/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 550-documentation.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [23/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 600-suspend-header.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [26/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 603-suspend2_common-headers.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 10:22   ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-06 11:41     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 11:52       ` Pekka J Enberg
2005-07-06 11:58     ` [PATCH] [26/48] " Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-09 11:53   ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [30/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 607-atomic-copy.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 18:01   ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-11  8:58     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [25/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 602-smp.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 12:03   ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-06 13:21     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [27/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 604-utility.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [32/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 609-driver-model.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 10:10   ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-06 12:05     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 12:14     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [31/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 608-compression.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-09 11:55   ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-09 12:15     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [24/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 601-kernel_power_power-header.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  3:42   ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-07-06  3:45     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [28/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 605-kernel_power_suspend.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 17:58   ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-12  8:39     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [29/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 606-all-settings.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 18:03   ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-11  9:38     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [34/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 610-extent.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 10:14   ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [33/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 610-encryption.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 18:15   ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-12  8:34     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [37/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 613-pageflags.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 12:01   ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-07  9:30     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-09 12:16   ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-09 12:32     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [38/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 614-plugins.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 18:08   ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-11 10:05     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [40/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 616-prepare_image.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 18:13   ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-12  8:34     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [39/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 615-poweroff.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 18:18   ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-12  8:31     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [41/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 617-proc.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 10:03   ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [36/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 612-pagedir.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [35/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 611-io.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 18:12   ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-12  8:38     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [44/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 620-userui.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 18:22   ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-12  6:58     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [47/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 623-generic-block-io.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 18:24   ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [43/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 619-userspace-nofreeze.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  6:18   ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-10 23:15   ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-07-12  6:29     ` Nigel Cunningham [this message]
2005-07-12 14:21       ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [48/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 624-filewriter.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 10:07   ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-06 10:13     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 10:17       ` Pekka J Enberg
2005-07-09 12:10   ` [PATCH] [48/48] " Pavel Machek
2005-07-09 12:18     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 23:14   ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-07-12  6:30     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [45/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 621-swsusp-tidy.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  9:55   ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [42/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 618-core.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 18:21   ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-12  6:59     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-12  7:56       ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-06  2:20 ` [PATCH] [46/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 622-swapwriter.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  6:33   ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-07 12:40     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-07 13:05       ` Pekka J Enberg
2005-07-08 13:41         ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-07 13:32   ` [PATCH] [46/48] " Pekka Enberg
2005-07-07 21:16     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-07 21:26       ` nickpiggin
2005-07-08 13:42         ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-08  5:49       ` Pekka J Enberg
2005-07-08  5:53       ` Pekka J Enberg
2005-07-06  6:40 ` [0/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12 Pekka Enberg
2005-07-07 12:19   ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06  8:21 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-06  8:22 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-06  8:33   ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-07  0:27   ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-07 12:04     ` Matthew Garrett
2005-07-07 12:15       ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-07 12:49         ` Matthew Garrett
2005-07-07 12:56           ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-07 18:54           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2005-07-07 21:21             ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-08 13:30           ` Stefan Seyfried
2005-07-08 22:27             ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-07 19:19     ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-10 23:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-07-12  6:36   ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-12  6:41     ` Andrew Morton
2005-07-12  6:57       ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-12 10:25       ` Nigel Cunningham

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