From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S261170AbVGLG1T (ORCPT ); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 02:27:19 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S261172AbVGLG1S (ORCPT ); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 02:27:18 -0400 Received: from b3162.static.pacific.net.au ([203.143.238.98]:51653 "EHLO cunningham.myip.net.au") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S261170AbVGLG1R (ORCPT ); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 02:27:17 -0400 Subject: Re: [PATCH] [43/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 619-userspace-nofreeze.patch From: Nigel Cunningham Reply-To: ncunningham@cyclades.com To: Christoph Hellwig Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List In-Reply-To: <20050710231508.GI513@infradead.org> References: <11206164393426@foobar.com> <1120616444351@foobar.com> <20050710231508.GI513@infradead.org> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Cycades Message-Id: <1121149739.13869.7.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6-1mdk Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:29:00 +1000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Hi. On Mon, 2005-07-11 at 09:15, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > UI support is nothing that belongs here. People won't die by having a text console for > a while. UI support belongs here for the following reasons: - While driver support is imperfect, there is the potential for hangs. People need to be able to recognise when this happens. They therefore need some feedback to know that the process is not hung, and to be able to say where it hung when it does. - Particularly for the desktop, we want the system to look professional, not half baked. - Some support is needed for the user to be able to cancel a suspend. You might not want to. Others might not want to, but this doesn't mean that others shouldn't have the option of changing their minds. I have already moved much of the code out to userspace in an effort to ease your concerns. I'm not going so far as to remove the functionality, though. Regards, Nigel -- Evolution. Enumerate the requirements. Consider the interdependencies. Calculate the probabilities. Be amazed that people believe it happened.