From: Nigel Cunningham <ncunningham@cyclades.com>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
Nigel Cunningham <nigel@suspend2.net>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [5/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 350-workthreads.patch
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:07:37 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1121166456.13869.165.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050712105754.GA23947@elf.ucw.cz>
Hi.
On Tue, 2005-07-12 at 20:57, Pavel Machek wrote:
> Hi!
>
> > > Again, why do you think you need this?
> >
> > 1. If something should be wrong with the freezer, it forms part of a
> > safety net that stops your data on disk being trashed.
>
> > 2. Separating out threads doing syncing from threads submitting I/O
> > makes the refrigerator much more reliable, even under extreme load.
>
> This seems to be red herring. Sometimes sync took way too long (like
> hours) with older kernels and reiserfs, but I believe that has been
> fixed. If not, we need to fix it, anyway; no need to work around it in
> suspend2.
Are you considering races such as the case where one process is
submitting I/O (say dd) while another is trying to sync? Even if sync
does return sooner (presumably because it only syncs writes submitted
before the sync), there will still be dirty data after the sync
completes. And if we start another sync thread, it will suffer the same
problem. The only solution is to stop I/O being submitted, then sync.
But having stopped I/O being submitted, we need to still have the
threads the process the I/O (possibly userspace ones) unfrozen. Hence we
need to differentiate 'syncthreads'.
Regards,
Nigel
--
Evolution.
Enumerate the requirements.
Consider the interdependencies.
Calculate the probabilities.
Be amazed that people believe it happened.
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2005-07-06 2:20 [0/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12 Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [2/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 300-reboot-handler-hook.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 10:08 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-06 10:18 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [6/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 351-syncthreads.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [5/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 350-workthreads.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 23:04 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-07-12 6:40 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-12 10:57 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-12 11:07 ` Nigel Cunningham [this message]
2005-07-12 11:15 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-12 11:25 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-12 11:25 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-12 11:45 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [3/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 301-proc-acpi-sleep-activate-hook.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 23:03 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-07-12 6:45 ` Nigel Cunningham
[not found] ` <E1DsHMp-00062f-00@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
2005-07-12 10:07 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-12 10:22 ` Matthew Garrett
2005-07-12 10:34 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [4/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 302-init-hooks.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 8:38 ` Shaohua Li
2005-07-06 8:35 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 15:38 ` Bernard Blackham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [1/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: submit_intro Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 6:37 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-06 8:12 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [8/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 353-disable-highmem-tlb-flush-for-copyback.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [7/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 352-disable-pdflush-during-suspend.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 3:34 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-07-06 3:43 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 13:27 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-07-06 8:08 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-06 9:52 ` Russell King
2005-07-10 23:07 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [14/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 404-check-mounts-support.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 8:15 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-06 8:30 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [12/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 402-mtrr-remove-sysdev.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 23:07 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-07-12 6:33 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [13/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 403-debug-pagealloc-support.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 23:02 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-07-12 6:48 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [11/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 401-e820-table-support.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 3:35 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-07-06 3:44 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 8:04 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-06 13:29 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [9/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 354-disable-mce-checking-during-suspend-avoid-smp-deadlock.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-09 11:49 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-09 12:02 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [10/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 360-reset-kswapd-max-order-after-resume.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 23:09 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-07-12 9:05 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [18/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 501-tlb-flushing-functions.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-09 11:52 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [22/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 560-Kconfig-and-Makefile-for-suspend2.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [17/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 500-version-specific-i386.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 3:43 ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [20/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 520-version-specific-x86_64.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [16/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 406-dynamic-pageflags.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 7:46 ` Shaohua Li
2005-07-06 8:13 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 8:30 ` Shaohua Li
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [19/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 510-version-specific-mac.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 3:49 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 5:30 ` hugang
2005-07-06 6:03 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 3:53 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-07-06 3:59 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 13:40 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-07-06 5:58 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-06 6:21 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 10:04 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [21/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 550-documentation.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [15/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 405-clear-swapfile-bdev-in-swapoff.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [23/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 600-suspend-header.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [27/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 604-utility.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [25/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 602-smp.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 12:03 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-06 13:21 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [26/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 603-suspend2_common-headers.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 10:22 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-06 11:41 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 11:52 ` Pekka J Enberg
2005-07-06 11:58 ` [PATCH] [26/48] " Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-09 11:53 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [30/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 607-atomic-copy.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 18:01 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-11 8:58 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [31/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 608-compression.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-09 11:55 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-09 12:15 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [32/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 609-driver-model.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 10:10 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-06 12:05 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 12:14 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [24/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 601-kernel_power_power-header.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 3:42 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-07-06 3:45 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [28/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 605-kernel_power_suspend.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 17:58 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-12 8:39 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [29/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 606-all-settings.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 18:03 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-11 9:38 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [34/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 610-extent.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 10:14 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [33/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 610-encryption.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 18:15 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-12 8:34 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [37/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 613-pageflags.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 12:01 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-07 9:30 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-09 12:16 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-09 12:32 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [38/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 614-plugins.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 18:08 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-11 10:05 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [36/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 612-pagedir.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [35/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 611-io.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 18:12 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-12 8:38 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [41/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 617-proc.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 10:03 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [39/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 615-poweroff.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 18:18 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-12 8:31 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [40/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 616-prepare_image.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 18:13 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-12 8:34 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [44/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 620-userui.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 18:22 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-12 6:58 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [43/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 619-userspace-nofreeze.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 6:18 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-10 23:15 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-07-12 6:29 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-12 14:21 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [47/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 623-generic-block-io.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 18:24 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [45/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 621-swsusp-tidy.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 9:55 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [48/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 624-filewriter.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 10:07 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-06 10:13 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 10:17 ` Pekka J Enberg
2005-07-09 12:10 ` [PATCH] [48/48] " Pavel Machek
2005-07-09 12:18 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 23:14 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-07-12 6:30 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [46/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 622-swapwriter.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 6:33 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-07 12:40 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-07 13:05 ` Pekka J Enberg
2005-07-08 13:41 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-07 13:32 ` [PATCH] [46/48] " Pekka Enberg
2005-07-07 21:16 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-07 21:26 ` nickpiggin
2005-07-08 13:42 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-08 5:49 ` Pekka J Enberg
2005-07-08 5:53 ` Pekka J Enberg
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [42/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 618-core.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 18:21 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-12 6:59 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-12 7:56 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-06 6:40 ` [0/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12 Pekka Enberg
2005-07-07 12:19 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 8:21 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-06 8:22 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-06 8:33 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-07 0:27 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-07 12:04 ` Matthew Garrett
2005-07-07 12:15 ` Nigel Cunningham
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2005-07-07 12:56 ` Nigel Cunningham
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