From: David Reveman <davidr@novell.com>
To: Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@gmail.com>
Cc: lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Discuss issues related to the xorg tree
<xorg@lists.freedesktop.org>
Subject: Re: State of Linux graphics
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:26:53 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1125422813.20488.43.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9e47339105083009037c24f6de@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 12:03 -0400, Jon Smirl wrote:
> I've written an article that surveys the current State of Linux
> graphics and proposes a possible path forward. This is a long article
> containing a lot of detailed technical information as a guide to
> future developers. Skip over the detailed parts if they aren't
> relevant to your area of work.
>
> http://www.freedesktop.org/~jonsmirl/graphics.html
>
> Topics include the current X server, framebuffer, Xgl, graphics
> drivers, multiuser support, using the GPU, and a new server design.
> Hopefully it will help you fill in the pieces and build an overall
> picture of the graphics landscape.
>
> The article has been reviewed but if it still contains technical
> errors please let me know. Opinions on the content are also
> appreciated.
>
As the author of Xgl and glitz I'd like to comment on a few things.
>From the article:
> Xgl was designed as a near term transition solution. The Xgl model
> was to transparently replace the drawing system of the existing
> X server with a compatible one based on using OpenGL as a device
> driver. Xgl maintained all of the existing X APIs as primary APIs.
> No new X APIs were offered and none were deprecated.
..
> But Xgl was a near term, transition design, by delaying demand for
> Xgl the EXA bandaid removes much of the need for it.
I've always designed Xgl to be a long term solution. I'd like if
whatever you or anyone else see as not long term with the design of Xgl
could be clarified.
We already had a new drawing API for X, the X Render extension. Xgl is
the first server to fully accelerate X Render.
> Linux is now guaranteed to be the last major desktop to implement a
> desktop GUI that takes full advantage of the GPU.
I'm not certain of that.
> In general, the whole concept of programmable graphics hardware is
> not addressed in APIs like xlib and Cairo. This is a very important
> point. A major new GPU feature, programmability is simply not
> accessible from the current X APIs. OpenGL exposes this
> programmability via its shader language.
That's just because we haven't had the need to expose it yet. I don't
see why this can't be exposed through the Render extension. The trickier
part is to figure out how we should expose it through the cairo API but
that's not an X server design problem.
-David
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-08-30 17:29 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-08-30 16:03 State of Linux graphics Jon Smirl
2005-08-30 17:26 ` David Reveman [this message]
2005-08-30 18:13 ` Jon Smirl
2005-08-30 22:38 ` Dave Airlie
2005-08-31 6:33 ` Allen Akin
2005-08-31 8:11 ` Anshuman Gholap
2005-08-31 17:20 ` David Reveman
2005-08-31 17:48 ` Jim Gettys
2005-08-31 18:23 ` Jon Smirl
2005-08-31 19:06 ` Allen Akin
2005-08-31 19:14 ` Jim Gettys
2005-08-31 18:29 ` Keith Packard
2005-08-31 20:06 ` Allen Akin
2005-08-31 20:20 ` Ian Romanick
2005-09-01 1:04 ` James Cloos
2005-08-31 21:06 ` Keith Packard
2005-09-01 1:58 ` Allen Akin
2005-09-01 3:11 ` Ian Romanick
2005-09-01 6:00 ` Antonio Vargas
2005-09-01 10:20 ` Alan Cox
2005-09-01 13:57 ` Antonio Vargas
2005-09-01 6:11 ` Allen Akin
2005-09-01 3:59 ` Keith Packard
2005-09-01 15:24 ` Brian Paul
2005-09-01 15:59 ` Jim Gettys
2005-09-01 16:39 ` Andreas Hauser
2005-09-01 20:18 ` Jim Gettys
2005-09-01 20:38 ` Jon Smirl
2005-09-01 21:29 ` Sean
2005-09-01 16:09 ` Alan Cox
2005-09-01 16:04 ` Brian Paul
2005-09-01 17:21 ` Ian Romanick
2005-09-01 17:26 ` Keith Whitwell
2005-09-01 20:03 ` Allen Akin
2005-08-31 3:11 ` Daniel Stone
2005-08-31 4:29 ` Jon Smirl
2005-08-31 4:50 ` Jon Smirl
[not found] ` <1125464500.8730.68.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2005-08-31 5:17 ` Jon Smirl
2005-08-31 5:23 ` Jon Smirl
2005-08-31 5:40 ` Jon Smirl
2005-08-31 6:15 ` Eric Anholt
2005-08-31 13:38 ` Jon Smirl
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2005-09-02 2:44 rep stsb
2005-09-03 4:00 mcartoaje
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