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From: John McCutchan <ttb@tentacle.dhs.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Robert Love <rml@novell.com>, Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [patch] stop inotify from sending random DELETE_SELF event under load
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:00:41 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1127181641.16372.10.camel@vertex> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0509191821220.2553@g5.osdl.org>

On Mon, 2005-09-19 at 18:37 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 19 Sep 2005, John McCutchan wrote:
> > 
> > Below is a patch that fixes the random DELETE_SELF events when the
> > system is under load. The problem is that the DELETE_SELF event is sent
> > from dentry_iput, which is called in two code paths,
> > 
> > 1) When a dentry is being deleted
> > 2) When the dcache is being pruned.
> 
> No no.
> 
> The problem is that you put the "fsnotify_inoderemove(inode);" in the 
> wrong place, and I and Al never noticed.
> 

To quote you:

Instead of the broken fsnotify_unlink/fsnotify_rmdir functions, you can 
split this into two logically _different_ functions:

 - fsnotify_nameremove(dentry) - called when the dentry goes away
 - fsnotify_inoderemove(dentry) - called when the inode goes away

...

The fsnotify_inoderemove() is called from dentry_iput(), and that's the 
one that specifies that an actual inode no longer exists.


;)

> iput() doesn't have anything to do with delete at all, and adding a flag 
> to it would be wrong. The inode may stay around _after_ the unlink() for 
> as long as it has users (or much longer, if you have hardlinks ;). 
> 
> You should probably move the "fsnotify_inoderemove(inode);" call into
> generic_delete_inode() instead, just after "security_inode_delete()".  No
> new flags, just a new place.
> 
> (Oh, I think you need to add it to "hugetlbfs_delete_inode()" too).
> 
> There's still a potential problem there: some network filesystems seem to
> use "generic_delete_inode()" as their "drop_inode" thing. Which may mean 
> that you get spurious delete messages when the reference is dropped. I 
> don't see how to avoid that, though - we fundamentally don't _know_ when 
> the inode actually gets deleted.
> 


I don't think moving it to generic_delete_inode is the right place. 
Anyways, generic_delete_inode is called when the final reference on the
inode is released, but inotify keeps a reference on the inode, so I
don't think it would work.

fsnotify_inoderemove should be called after the dentry for the file is
removed, not when the inode actually goes away. The behaviour inotify
users expect is:

$ watch /tmp/foo (wd = 0)
$ rm /tmp/foo
event sent: DELETE_SELF (wd = 0)

Inotify doesn't care if the inode for /tmp/foo is sticking around for
whatever reason. As far as inotify is concerned, the file is deleted.

-- 
John McCutchan <ttb@tentacle.dhs.org>

  reply	other threads:[~2005-09-20  1:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-09-20  0:48 [patch] stop inotify from sending random DELETE_SELF event under load John McCutchan
2005-09-20  1:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-09-20  2:00   ` John McCutchan [this message]
2005-09-20  2:20     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-09-20  3:46       ` John McCutchan
2005-09-20  4:03         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-09-20  4:24           ` Al Viro
2005-09-20  4:30             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-09-20  4:36             ` John McCutchan
2005-09-20  4:46               ` Al Viro
2005-09-20  4:53                 ` John McCutchan
2005-09-20  4:58                   ` Al Viro
2005-09-20  5:06                     ` John McCutchan
2005-09-20  5:17                       ` Al Viro
2005-09-20 12:34                         ` John McCutchan
2005-09-20 16:38                           ` Al Viro
2005-09-20 17:44                             ` Ray Lee
2005-09-20 18:12                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-09-20 18:22                                 ` Al Viro
2005-09-20 19:37                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-09-20 22:53                                     ` John McCutchan
2005-09-21  0:33                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-09-21  0:52                                         ` John McCutchan
2005-09-21  1:01                                       ` Al Viro
2005-09-21  1:41                                         ` John McCutchan
2005-09-21  2:36                                           ` Al Viro
2005-09-21  8:35                                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-09-21  9:15                                               ` Joel Becker
2005-09-21  9:17                                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-09-21 14:45                                                   ` Joel Becker
2005-09-21 18:08                                                     ` Mark Fasheh
2005-09-20 18:26                             ` John McCutchan
2005-09-20 19:39                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-09-20  4:56                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-09-20  4:52               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-09-20  4:27           ` John McCutchan
2005-09-20  3:33     ` Al Viro
2005-09-20  3:50       ` John McCutchan
2005-09-20  3:31   ` Al Viro
2005-09-20  3:51     ` John McCutchan
2005-09-20  8:33   ` Christoph Hellwig

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