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From: Ray Lee <ray@madrabbit.org>
To: Al Viro <viro@ftp.linux.org.uk>
Cc: John McCutchan <ttb@tentacle.dhs.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Robert Love <rml@novell.com>, Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [patch] stop inotify from sending random DELETE_SELF event under load
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:44:17 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1127238257.9940.14.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050920163848.GO7992@ftp.linux.org.uk>

On Tue, 2005-09-20 at 17:38 +0100, Al Viro wrote:
> I don't get it.  Could you please describe what your code is _supposed_
> to do?  I'm not even talking about implementation - it's on the level
> of "what do we want the watchers to see after the following operations".

I can't even talk to that level, but perhaps it'd help to know that some
(I think) are pinning their hopes on inotify as the foundation of a
userspace negative dentry cache (i.e., samba trying to prove a set of
filenames (case-insensitively) doesn't exist).

By that point of view:

> ln a b
> start watching b
> rm a
> chmod 400 b

...it's quite clearly important to continue to get b's events.

Continuing:
 
> >fd = open("foo", 0);
> >unlink("foo");
> >sleep for a day
> >fchmod(fd, 0400);
> >sleep for a day
> >close(fd);

...I'd say that providing the fchmod to userspace would be a good thing.
That fd may be available to multiple processes, and so those processes
could still be validly interested in events upon it. However, this is an
obscure case that could be handled by polling with fstat, so if it's
unreasonable for other reasons, toss the idea.

Ray


  reply	other threads:[~2005-09-20 17:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-09-20  0:48 [patch] stop inotify from sending random DELETE_SELF event under load John McCutchan
2005-09-20  1:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-09-20  2:00   ` John McCutchan
2005-09-20  2:20     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-09-20  3:46       ` John McCutchan
2005-09-20  4:03         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-09-20  4:24           ` Al Viro
2005-09-20  4:30             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-09-20  4:36             ` John McCutchan
2005-09-20  4:46               ` Al Viro
2005-09-20  4:53                 ` John McCutchan
2005-09-20  4:58                   ` Al Viro
2005-09-20  5:06                     ` John McCutchan
2005-09-20  5:17                       ` Al Viro
2005-09-20 12:34                         ` John McCutchan
2005-09-20 16:38                           ` Al Viro
2005-09-20 17:44                             ` Ray Lee [this message]
2005-09-20 18:12                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-09-20 18:22                                 ` Al Viro
2005-09-20 19:37                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-09-20 22:53                                     ` John McCutchan
2005-09-21  0:33                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-09-21  0:52                                         ` John McCutchan
2005-09-21  1:01                                       ` Al Viro
2005-09-21  1:41                                         ` John McCutchan
2005-09-21  2:36                                           ` Al Viro
2005-09-21  8:35                                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-09-21  9:15                                               ` Joel Becker
2005-09-21  9:17                                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-09-21 14:45                                                   ` Joel Becker
2005-09-21 18:08                                                     ` Mark Fasheh
2005-09-20 18:26                             ` John McCutchan
2005-09-20 19:39                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-09-20  4:56                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-09-20  4:52               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-09-20  4:27           ` John McCutchan
2005-09-20  3:33     ` Al Viro
2005-09-20  3:50       ` John McCutchan
2005-09-20  3:31   ` Al Viro
2005-09-20  3:51     ` John McCutchan
2005-09-20  8:33   ` Christoph Hellwig

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