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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>, stable <stable@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Fix: disable sys_membarrier when nohz_full is enabled
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 13:54:27 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <11301812.5114.1479390867218.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161117134015.GT3612@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

----- On Nov 17, 2016, at 8:40 AM, Paul E. McKenney paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 11:46:34AM +0000, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
>> ----- On Nov 17, 2016, at 1:51 AM, Lai Jiangshan jiangshanlai@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> > On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 12:29 AM, Mathieu Desnoyers
>> > <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com> wrote:
>> >> Userspace applications should be allowed to expect the membarrier system
>> >> call with MEMBARRIER_CMD_SHARED command to issue memory barriers on
>> >> nohz_full CPUs, but synchronize_sched() does not take those into
>> >> account.
>> >>
>> >> Given that we do not want unrelated processes to be able to affect
>> >> real-time sensitive nohz_full CPUs, simply return ENOSYS when membarrier
>> >> is invoked on a kernel with enabled nohz_full CPUs.
>> >>
>> >> Signed-off-by: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
>> >> CC: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
>> >> CC: Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>
>> >> CC: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
>> >> CC: Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>
>> >> CC: <stable@vger.kernel.org>    [3.10+]
>> >> ---
>> >>  kernel/membarrier.c | 4 ++++
>> >>  1 file changed, 4 insertions(+)
>> >>
>> >> diff --git a/kernel/membarrier.c b/kernel/membarrier.c
>> >> index 536c727..9f9284f 100644
>> >> --- a/kernel/membarrier.c
>> >> +++ b/kernel/membarrier.c
>> >> @@ -16,6 +16,7 @@
>> >>
>> >>  #include <linux/syscalls.h>
>> >>  #include <linux/membarrier.h>
>> >> +#include <linux/tick.h>
>> >>
>> >>  /*
>> >>   * Bitmask made from a "or" of all commands within enum membarrier_cmd,
>> >> @@ -51,6 +52,9 @@
>> >>   */
>> >>  SYSCALL_DEFINE2(membarrier, int, cmd, int, flags)
>> >>  {
>> >> +       /* MEMBARRIER_CMD_SHARED is not compatible with nohz_full. */
>> >> +       if (tick_nohz_full_enabled())
>> >> +               return -ENOSYS;
>> > 
>> > I guess this code needs to be moved down into the branch of
>> > "case MEMBARRIER_CMD_SHARED" to match its comment.
>> 
>> No, that would be unexpected from user-space. Either a system
>> call is implemented or not, not "implemented for some parameters".
>> 
>> We also want MEMBARRIER_CMD_QUERY to return -ENOSYS in this case,
>> and all other parameter values to also return -ENOSYS (rather than
>> -EINVAL).
>> 
>> If a system call that returns successfully on CMD_QUERY or EINVAL,
>> user-space may assume it will not have to handle ENOSYS in the
>> next calls.
>> 
>> 
>> > 
>> > Acked-by: Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>
>> > 
>> > But I'm afraid, in the future, tick_nohz_full will become a default y
>> > feature. thus it makes sys_membarrier() always disabled. we might
>> > need a new MEMBARRIER_CMD_XXX to handle it?
>> 
>> This may require that we send an IPI to nohz_full CPUs, which will
>> disturb them real-time wise. Any better ideas ?
> 
> Restrict the IPIs to CPUs running the process executing the
> sys_membarrier() system call.  This would mean that CPUs only
> are interrupted by their own application's request.

This would break use-cases of cross-process shared memory. :-(

Mathieu


> 
> 							Thanx, Paul

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com

  reply	other threads:[~2016-11-17 14:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-03 16:29 [PATCH] Fix: disable sys_membarrier when nohz_full is enabled Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-11-03 17:49 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-11-07 17:08   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-11-07 18:06     ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-11-07 18:10       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-11-07 20:03         ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-11-08 11:15           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-11-12 17:58             ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-11-17  6:51 ` Lai Jiangshan
2016-11-17 11:46   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-11-17 13:40     ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-11-17 13:54       ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2016-11-17 14:09         ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-11-17 14:50         ` Steven Rostedt
2016-11-17 15:02           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-11-17 15:17             ` Steven Rostedt
2016-11-17 16:02               ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-11-17 13:38   ` Paul E. McKenney

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