From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Small PCI core patch
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:35:32 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1132616132.26560.62.camel@gaston> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20051121230136.GB19212@kroah.com>
On Mon, 2005-11-21 at 15:01 -0800, Greg KH wrote:
> If you, or your company is relying on closed source kernel modules, your
> days are numbered. And what are you going to do, and how are you going
> to explain things to your bosses and your customers, if possibly,
> something like this patch were to be accepted?
I'm all about it, but good luck trying to convince ATI and/or nVidia ...
For those who haven't noticed, the latest generation of ATI cards have a
new 2D engine that is completely different from the previous one and
totally undocumented. So far, they haven't showed any plans to provide
any kind of documentation for it, unlike what they did for previous
chipsets, not even 2D and not even under NDA. That means absolutely _0_
support for it in linux or X.org except maybe with some future version
of their binary blob, and _0_ support for it for any non-x86
architecture of course.
At least nVidia still sort-of maintains the obfuscated but working &
opensource basic 2D driver ...
On the graphics front, things are actually getting _worse_ everyday.
Ben.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-11-21 23:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-11-21 22:53 [RFC] Small PCI core patch Greg KH
2005-11-21 23:01 ` Greg KH
2005-11-21 23:35 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2005-11-22 0:47 ` Dave Airlie
2005-11-22 1:34 ` Alan Cox
2005-11-22 2:20 ` Jon Smirl
2005-11-22 2:36 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-11-22 3:01 ` Jon Smirl
2005-11-22 7:41 ` Rob Landley
2005-11-22 8:44 ` Dave Airlie
2005-11-22 2:27 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-11-22 3:23 ` Jon Smirl
2005-11-22 3:44 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-11-22 4:11 ` Neil Brown
2005-11-22 8:07 ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-11-22 14:30 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 16:33 ` Rob Landley
2005-11-22 16:38 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 10:58 ` Florian Weimer
2005-11-22 19:28 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-11-23 15:46 ` Jesper Juhl
2005-11-24 2:11 ` Lee Revell
2005-11-22 15:46 ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 15:51 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 16:14 ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 16:25 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 16:40 ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 16:56 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 17:11 ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 17:37 ` Brian Gerst
2005-11-22 17:38 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 19:39 ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-23 10:51 ` Rogério Brito
2005-11-23 14:29 ` Alan Cox
2005-11-22 18:38 ` Alan Cox
2005-11-22 19:47 ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 16:26 ` Diego Calleja
2005-11-22 16:35 ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 19:49 ` Diego Calleja
2005-11-22 20:08 ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 20:15 ` Lee Revell
2005-11-22 20:43 ` Diego Calleja
2005-11-22 22:00 ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 22:42 ` Jan Knutar
2005-11-22 14:07 ` Marc Koschewski
2005-11-22 22:53 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-11-22 23:06 ` Marc Koschewski
2005-11-22 23:20 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-11-22 14:25 ` Alan Cox
2005-11-22 14:26 ` today's graphics (was Re: [RFC] Small PCI core patch) Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 18:58 ` Alan Cox
2005-11-22 18:41 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 1:21 ` [RFC] Small PCI core patch Greg KH
2005-11-22 1:28 ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-11-22 1:42 ` Greg KH
2005-11-22 5:50 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-22 14:36 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 16:54 ` Jon Smirl
2005-11-22 20:17 ` Alan Cox
2005-11-22 21:13 ` Brian Gerst
2005-11-22 23:26 ` Alan Cox
2005-11-22 22:59 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-11-22 6:57 ` Rob Landley
2005-11-22 18:26 ` Matthieu CASTET
2005-11-22 19:05 ` Greg KH
2005-11-22 20:15 ` Alan Cox
2005-11-23 3:26 ` Andrew James Wade
2005-11-21 23:28 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-21 23:30 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-11-22 17:50 ` Greg KH
2005-11-22 22:31 ` Harald Dunkel
2005-11-22 23:40 ` Alan Cox
2005-11-23 6:06 ` Harald Dunkel
2005-11-23 6:26 ` Dave Jones
2005-11-23 11:11 ` Alan Cox
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2005-11-25 4:06 ` Robert Hancock
2005-11-25 6:34 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-25 13:54 ` Alan Cox
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