From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Small PCI core patch
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:27:57 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1132626478.26560.104.camel@gaston> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1132623268.20233.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>
On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 01:34 +0000, Alan Cox wrote:
> On Maw, 2005-11-22 at 11:47 +1100, Dave Airlie wrote:
> > And funny enough unlike SCSI adapters and things for large server
> > installations, nobody seems to really care enough about graphics
> > cards, I've heard horror stories about how little Linux companies
>
> Its easy to see why
>
> The graphics market between Nvidia and ATI is extreme rivalry
> There have been some ugly patent lawsuits
> Good software tricks can make the weaker hardware win
> Its very hard to write
On the other hand, there is little justification not to open source at
least the kernel & basic mode setting part. It's all plumbing and mode
setting stuff, monitor detection, etc... it's not part of any of the big
added value or IP stuff that can be found in the 3D engine.
I've talked to them several times about that, trying to advocate really
only putting the GL -> engine command stream generation in a binary blob
(in userland where it belongs) and have everything else open sourced,
but they aren't interested. In many cases, the replies I get are along
the lines of "why would we do that ? nVidia doesn't" or "why could we
care", or "give us a business justification" (the later translates to:
prove us that by doing so, we'll sell that many more million cards,
which is obviously impossible) etc... They really doesn't give a shit
about what we think, and will continue to do so until they get a bit fat
lawsuite, that is my opinion at least.
Ben.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-11-22 2:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-11-21 22:53 [RFC] Small PCI core patch Greg KH
2005-11-21 23:01 ` Greg KH
2005-11-21 23:35 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-11-22 0:47 ` Dave Airlie
2005-11-22 1:34 ` Alan Cox
2005-11-22 2:20 ` Jon Smirl
2005-11-22 2:36 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-11-22 3:01 ` Jon Smirl
2005-11-22 7:41 ` Rob Landley
2005-11-22 8:44 ` Dave Airlie
2005-11-22 2:27 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2005-11-22 3:23 ` Jon Smirl
2005-11-22 3:44 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-11-22 4:11 ` Neil Brown
2005-11-22 8:07 ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-11-22 14:30 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 16:33 ` Rob Landley
2005-11-22 16:38 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 10:58 ` Florian Weimer
2005-11-22 19:28 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-11-23 15:46 ` Jesper Juhl
2005-11-24 2:11 ` Lee Revell
2005-11-22 15:46 ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 15:51 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 16:14 ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 16:25 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 16:40 ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 16:56 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 17:11 ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 17:37 ` Brian Gerst
2005-11-22 17:38 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 19:39 ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-23 10:51 ` Rogério Brito
2005-11-23 14:29 ` Alan Cox
2005-11-22 18:38 ` Alan Cox
2005-11-22 19:47 ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 16:26 ` Diego Calleja
2005-11-22 16:35 ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 19:49 ` Diego Calleja
2005-11-22 20:08 ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 20:15 ` Lee Revell
2005-11-22 20:43 ` Diego Calleja
2005-11-22 22:00 ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 22:42 ` Jan Knutar
2005-11-22 14:07 ` Marc Koschewski
2005-11-22 22:53 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-11-22 23:06 ` Marc Koschewski
2005-11-22 23:20 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-11-22 14:25 ` Alan Cox
2005-11-22 14:26 ` today's graphics (was Re: [RFC] Small PCI core patch) Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 18:58 ` Alan Cox
2005-11-22 18:41 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 1:21 ` [RFC] Small PCI core patch Greg KH
2005-11-22 1:28 ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-11-22 1:42 ` Greg KH
2005-11-22 5:50 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-22 14:36 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 16:54 ` Jon Smirl
2005-11-22 20:17 ` Alan Cox
2005-11-22 21:13 ` Brian Gerst
2005-11-22 23:26 ` Alan Cox
2005-11-22 22:59 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-11-22 6:57 ` Rob Landley
2005-11-22 18:26 ` Matthieu CASTET
2005-11-22 19:05 ` Greg KH
2005-11-22 20:15 ` Alan Cox
2005-11-23 3:26 ` Andrew James Wade
2005-11-21 23:28 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-21 23:30 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-11-22 17:50 ` Greg KH
2005-11-22 22:31 ` Harald Dunkel
2005-11-22 23:40 ` Alan Cox
2005-11-23 6:06 ` Harald Dunkel
2005-11-23 6:26 ` Dave Jones
2005-11-23 11:11 ` Alan Cox
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2005-11-25 4:06 ` Robert Hancock
2005-11-25 6:34 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-25 13:54 ` Alan Cox
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