From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@gmail.com>
Cc: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Small PCI core patch
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 09:59:02 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1132700342.26560.243.camel@gaston> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9e4733910511220854m2c5ffbe0t67a53f6bae89653@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 11:54 -0500, Jon Smirl wrote:
> On 11/21/05, Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org> wrote:
> > For those who haven't noticed, the latest generation of ATI cards have a
> > new 2D engine that is completely different from the previous one and
> > totally undocumented. So far, they haven't showed any plans to provide
> > any kind of documentation for it, unlike what they did for previous
> > chipsets, not even 2D and not even under NDA. That means absolutely _0_
> > support for it in linux or X.org except maybe with some future version
> > of their binary blob, and _0_ support for it for any non-x86
> > architecture of course.
>
> Are you sure it is a new 2D engine? ATI engineers have mentioned
> several times that they were looking at removing the 2D engine and
> going 3D only - using the 3D engine to draw the 2D data.
By new 2D engine, I meant the mode setting core.
> Removal of the 2D engines is a key vulnerability in the strategy of
> only using 2D on Linux.
>
> --
> Jon Smirl
> jonsmirl@gmail.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-11-22 23:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-11-21 22:53 [RFC] Small PCI core patch Greg KH
2005-11-21 23:01 ` Greg KH
2005-11-21 23:35 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-11-22 0:47 ` Dave Airlie
2005-11-22 1:34 ` Alan Cox
2005-11-22 2:20 ` Jon Smirl
2005-11-22 2:36 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-11-22 3:01 ` Jon Smirl
2005-11-22 7:41 ` Rob Landley
2005-11-22 8:44 ` Dave Airlie
2005-11-22 2:27 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-11-22 3:23 ` Jon Smirl
2005-11-22 3:44 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-11-22 4:11 ` Neil Brown
2005-11-22 8:07 ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-11-22 14:30 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 16:33 ` Rob Landley
2005-11-22 16:38 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 10:58 ` Florian Weimer
2005-11-22 19:28 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-11-23 15:46 ` Jesper Juhl
2005-11-24 2:11 ` Lee Revell
2005-11-22 15:46 ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 15:51 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 16:14 ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 16:25 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 16:40 ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 16:56 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 17:11 ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 17:37 ` Brian Gerst
2005-11-22 17:38 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 19:39 ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-23 10:51 ` Rogério Brito
2005-11-23 14:29 ` Alan Cox
2005-11-22 18:38 ` Alan Cox
2005-11-22 19:47 ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 16:26 ` Diego Calleja
2005-11-22 16:35 ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 19:49 ` Diego Calleja
2005-11-22 20:08 ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 20:15 ` Lee Revell
2005-11-22 20:43 ` Diego Calleja
2005-11-22 22:00 ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 22:42 ` Jan Knutar
2005-11-22 14:07 ` Marc Koschewski
2005-11-22 22:53 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-11-22 23:06 ` Marc Koschewski
2005-11-22 23:20 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-11-22 14:25 ` Alan Cox
2005-11-22 14:26 ` today's graphics (was Re: [RFC] Small PCI core patch) Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 18:58 ` Alan Cox
2005-11-22 18:41 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 1:21 ` [RFC] Small PCI core patch Greg KH
2005-11-22 1:28 ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-11-22 1:42 ` Greg KH
2005-11-22 5:50 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-22 14:36 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 16:54 ` Jon Smirl
2005-11-22 20:17 ` Alan Cox
2005-11-22 21:13 ` Brian Gerst
2005-11-22 23:26 ` Alan Cox
2005-11-22 22:59 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2005-11-22 6:57 ` Rob Landley
2005-11-22 18:26 ` Matthieu CASTET
2005-11-22 19:05 ` Greg KH
2005-11-22 20:15 ` Alan Cox
2005-11-23 3:26 ` Andrew James Wade
2005-11-21 23:28 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-21 23:30 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-11-22 17:50 ` Greg KH
2005-11-22 22:31 ` Harald Dunkel
2005-11-22 23:40 ` Alan Cox
2005-11-23 6:06 ` Harald Dunkel
2005-11-23 6:26 ` Dave Jones
2005-11-23 11:11 ` Alan Cox
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2005-11-25 4:06 ` Robert Hancock
2005-11-25 6:34 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-25 13:54 ` Alan Cox
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