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From: Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>
To: John Reiser <jreiser@BitWagon.com>
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>, Stephane Eranian <eranian@hpl.hp.com>,
	Ray Bryant <raybry@mpdtxmail.amd.com>,
	discuss@x86-64.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	perfctr-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Perfctr-devel] Re: Enabling RDPMC in user space by default
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:05:43 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1133291144.4627.1.camel@mindpipe> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <438C9E1B.8040204@BitWagon.com>

On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 10:29 -0800, John Reiser wrote:
> Andi Kleen wrote:
> > I think it's also a useful convention - RDTSC is becomming more and more
> > useless and you cannot expect user applications who just want to
> > measure some cycles to rely on ever changing instable or non existing
> > performance counter APIs.
> 
> Users are even more unhappy with ever-changing ABIs -- such as the
> kernel taking away RDTSC.
> 
> RDTSC+perfctr [Pettersson] still is the fastest way for user-mode code
> to count something that is highly correlated with both "billable"
> CPU time and "code quality" for a fixed task.  With a little care
> RDTSC is close enough to monotonic that I find it very useful.
> Please don't take away user-mode RDTSC.
> 

The kernel didn't take this away, the hardware vendors did.  For years
although it was risky on paper it was perfectly usable as a cheap high
res timer.  I agree that it's unfortunate.

Lee


  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-11-29 19:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-11-29 15:15 Enabling RDPMC in user space by default Andi Kleen
2005-11-29 16:04 ` Mikael Pettersson
2005-11-29 16:17   ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-29 16:56 ` Ray Bryant
2005-11-29 16:15   ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-29 18:09   ` [Perfctr-devel] " Stephane Eranian
2005-11-29 18:13     ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-29 18:29       ` John Reiser
2005-11-29 18:38         ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-29 19:05         ` Lee Revell [this message]
2005-11-29 21:43       ` Nicholas Miell
2005-11-29 21:52         ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-29 22:19           ` Stephane Eranian
2005-11-29 22:51             ` [discuss] " Andi Kleen
2005-11-30 16:01               ` Stephane Eranian
2005-11-30 16:23                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-12-01 23:41                   ` Stephane Eranian
2005-12-02  0:07                     ` Andi Kleen
2005-12-02  7:09                       ` Stephane Eranian
2005-12-02 11:36                         ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-29 22:33           ` Nicholas Miell
2005-11-29 22:43             ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-29 23:02               ` Nicholas Miell
2005-11-29 23:17                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-29 23:29                   ` Nicholas Miell
2005-11-29 23:39                     ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-29 23:56                       ` David Gibson
2005-11-30  0:34                         ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-30  0:52                           ` David Gibson
2005-11-30  1:04                             ` [discuss] " Andi Kleen
2005-11-30  0:50                       ` Ray Bryant
2005-11-30  0:38                         ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-30  7:38                     ` Stephane Eranian
2005-11-30  8:22                       ` Nicholas Miell
2005-11-30 15:48                         ` Stephane Eranian
2005-11-29 23:07               ` David Gibson
2005-11-29 23:18                 ` [discuss] " Andi Kleen
2005-11-29 23:28               ` Bernd Schmidt
2005-11-29 23:46                 ` [discuss] " Andi Kleen
2005-11-30  2:39 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-11-30  3:38   ` Andi Kleen
2005-12-01  4:08     ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-12-01 13:05       ` Andi Kleen
2005-12-01 17:01         ` Zwane Mwaikambo

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