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From: Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>
To: Sven-Haegar Koch <haegar@sdinet.de>
Cc: Michael Loftis <mloftis@wgops.com>,
	Matthew Frost <artusemrys@sbcglobal.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	James Courtier-Dutton <James@superbug.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Development tree, PLEASE?
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:18:01 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1137881882.411.23.camel@mindpipe> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0601212250020.31384@mercury.sdinet.de>

On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 22:56 +0100, Sven-Haegar Koch wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jan 2006, Lee Revell wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 00:22 -0700, Michael Loftis wrote:
> >> It makes maintenance a real nightmare
> >> for atleast one environment in which I maintain production systems
> >
> > Why do you keep having to upgrade the kernel on production systems, if
> > the old kernel does what you need?
> 
> But it is missing all security updates.
> 
> What I am currently doing to workaround this problem:
> 
> - using Debian Sarge on my production servers as a base
>    (good packages, but kernel is just too old)
> - Kernel 2.6.12 from Ubuntu Breezy (taken as source, not binary packages)
> 
> This way I have at least a working kernel (2.6.8 does not work on my newer 
> boxes) and the security updates from Ubuntu, getting kernel updates with 
> only little changes and low update-risks.
> 
> Mainstream kernel is just unusable when you don't have the time to verify
> the lots of changes in production environments.

You just illustrated perfectly why the new development model is needed.

If 2.6.8 does not even work on newer machines, then obviously the rapid
pace of development is needed in order to support new hardware.  You
can't have a kernel that supports the latest and greatest hardware
without the possibility of introducing bugs.

Lee


  reply	other threads:[~2006-01-21 22:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-01-20 15:17 Development tree, PLEASE? Michael Loftis
2006-01-20 15:31 ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-20 15:59 ` Marc Koschewski
2006-01-20 16:07   ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-20 16:34     ` Marc Koschewski
2006-01-20 17:04       ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-20 16:35     ` Marc Koschewski
2006-01-20 17:06       ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-20 17:31         ` Diego Calleja
2006-01-20 20:43         ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-20 16:41     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-20 17:14       ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-20 19:43         ` Greg KH
2006-01-20 20:56           ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-20 21:06             ` Christopher Friesen
2006-01-20 23:00             ` Horst von Brand
2006-01-20 23:17             ` Russell King
2006-01-20 23:33               ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-20 23:55                 ` Russell King
2006-01-21  0:05                   ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-21  0:26                     ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-01-20 23:27             ` Greg KH
2006-01-20 23:52               ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-21  0:03                 ` Russell King
2006-01-21  1:38             ` Alan Cox
2006-01-20 20:25         ` Russell King
2006-01-20 22:05           ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-20 22:54     ` Horst von Brand
2006-01-20 16:40   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-01-20 16:48     ` Marc Koschewski
2006-01-20 16:55       ` Dmitry Torokhov
     [not found]         ` <20060120172431.GE5873@stiffy.osknowledge.org>
2006-01-20 17:43           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-01-20 17:53             ` Marc Koschewski
2006-01-20 18:00               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-01-20 18:06                 ` Marc Koschewski
2006-02-13 17:17               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-01-20 16:29 ` James Courtier-Dutton
2006-01-20 16:36   ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-20 16:50     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-01-20 17:31       ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-20 19:03         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-01-20 19:10           ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-20 23:20             ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-01-20 23:54               ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-20 19:21           ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-20 19:24             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-01-20 20:00             ` Russell King
2006-01-20 21:21               ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-20 21:40                 ` Doug McNaught
2006-01-20 22:09                   ` Michael Loftis
2006-02-02 12:16                     ` David Weinehall
2006-02-02 18:25                       ` Michael Loftis
2006-02-02 20:10                         ` Dave Jones
2006-02-02 22:05                           ` Sam Ravnborg
2006-02-02 22:10                             ` Dave Jones
2006-02-02 22:19                               ` Sam Ravnborg
2006-02-02 22:31                                 ` Dave Jones
2006-02-02 22:42                                   ` Sam Ravnborg
2006-02-03  1:29                                 ` Roman Zippel
2006-02-03  4:45                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2006-02-03 12:28                               ` Roman Zippel
2006-02-03 16:04                                 ` Dave Jones
2006-02-02 22:01                         ` Willy Tarreau
2006-02-02 22:31                           ` Christopher Friesen
2006-02-03  5:08                             ` Willy Tarreau
2006-02-02 22:15                         ` David Weinehall
2006-02-02 22:47                           ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-20 20:10             ` James Courtier-Dutton
2006-01-20 20:20         ` Jesper Juhl
2006-01-20 21:48           ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-20 22:00             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-01-20 22:14               ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-21  9:22             ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-21 14:52               ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-01-21 17:03                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-20 21:50           ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-21  9:13         ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-20 16:53     ` Joe George
2006-01-20 17:03       ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-01-20 17:33         ` Joe George
     [not found]     ` <20060120121116.62a8f0a6.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-01-20 17:11       ` sean
2006-01-20 17:56         ` Development tree, please? Michael Loftis
     [not found]           ` <20060120131120.338ebf17.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-01-20 18:11             ` sean
2006-01-20 18:43               ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-20 17:11     ` Development tree, PLEASE? Diego Calleja
2006-01-21  1:56     ` Matthew Frost
2006-01-21  3:19       ` Matthew Frost
2006-01-21  7:22         ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-21  7:38           ` Lee Revell
2006-01-21 21:56             ` Sven-Haegar Koch
2006-01-21 22:18               ` Lee Revell [this message]
2006-01-21 22:40                 ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-21 22:47                   ` Lee Revell
2006-01-21 22:51                     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-01-22  8:57                       ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-22  9:41                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2006-01-22 16:09                         ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-01-22 22:59                         ` Daniel Barkalow
2006-01-21 22:49                   ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-01-21 23:03                   ` Lee Revell
2006-01-22  9:03                     ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-22 17:03                       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-01-25 21:30                         ` Nix
2006-01-25 21:36                           ` Lee Revell
2006-01-25 22:12                             ` Nix
2006-01-26  8:44                               ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-01-26 21:12                                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-26 21:44                                   ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-01-22 17:14                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-22 17:24                       ` Lee Revell
2006-01-21 11:28           ` Jesper Juhl
2006-01-21 18:09           ` Horst von Brand
2006-01-20 17:08 ` Gábor Lénárt
2006-01-21  0:36   ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-20 19:16 ` Greg KH
2006-01-20 19:27 ` Ben Collins
2006-01-20 22:04   ` Vincent Hanquez
2006-01-21 18:29     ` Johan Kullstam
2006-01-23 13:45       ` Vincent Hanquez
2006-01-24 15:35       ` Bob Copeland
2006-01-21 11:41 ` Ralf Baechle
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-01-21  6:58 Michael Loftis
2006-03-14 13:57 Chuck Ebbert
2006-03-14 14:09 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-03-16 20:17   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-03-16 20:21     ` Jan Engelhardt

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