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From: Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>
To: Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>
Cc: dipankar@in.ibm.com, paulmck@us.ibm.com,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: RCU latency regression in 2.6.16-rc1
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 02:38:02 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1138520283.2799.103.camel@mindpipe> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43DBCB62.7030308@cosmosbay.com>

On Sat, 2006-01-28 at 20:52 +0100, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> > Your new trace shows that we are held up in in rt_run_flush(). 
> > I guess we need to investigate why we spend so much time in rt_run_flush(),
> > because of a big route table or the lock acquisitions.
> 
> Some machines have millions of entries in their route cache.
> 
> I suspect we cannot queue all them (or only hash heads as your
> previous patch) by RCU. Latencies and/or OOM can occur.
> 
> What can be done is :
> 
> in rt_run_flush(), allocate a new empty hash table, and exchange the
> hash tables.
> 
> Then wait a quiescent/grace RCU period (may be the exact term is not
> this one, sorry, I'm not RCU expert)
> 
> Then free all the entries from the old hash table (direclty of course,
> no need for RCU grace period), and free the hash table.
> 
> As the hash table can be huge, we might need allocate it at boot time,
> just in case a flush is needed (it usually is :) ). If we choose
> dynamic allocation and this allocation fails, then fallback to what is
> done today.
> 

No problem, I'm not a networking expert...

Ingo's response to these traces was that softirq preemption, which
simply offloads all softirq processing to softirqd and has been tested
in the -rt patchset for over a year, is the easiest solution.  Any
thoughts on that?  Personally, I'd rather fix the very few problematic
softirqs, than take such a drastic step - this softirq appears to be one
of the last obstacles to being able to meet a 1ms soft RT constraint
with the mainline kernel.

Thanks for looking at this; I'd be glad to test any patches...

Lee



  reply	other threads:[~2006-01-29  7:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-01-24  7:52 RCU latency regression in 2.6.16-rc1 Lee Revell
2006-01-24  7:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-24  7:58   ` Lee Revell
2006-01-24  8:01     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-24  8:03       ` Lee Revell
2006-01-24  8:11         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-24  8:07       ` Lee Revell
2006-01-24  8:13         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-24  8:15           ` Lee Revell
2006-01-24  9:17             ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-01-24  9:23               ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-24  9:44                 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-24 16:28                   ` Dipankar Sarma
2006-01-24 21:38                     ` Dipankar Sarma
2006-01-25 21:28                       ` Lee Revell
2006-01-25 22:56                         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-25 23:13                           ` Lee Revell
2006-01-26 19:18                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-01-27 18:55                           ` Lee Revell
2006-01-28 17:03                             ` Dipankar Sarma
2006-01-28 18:00                               ` Lee Revell
2006-01-28 18:51                                 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-28 19:34                                   ` Dipankar Sarma
2006-01-28 19:46                                     ` Lee Revell
2006-01-28 19:52                                     ` Eric Dumazet
2006-01-29  7:38                                       ` Lee Revell [this message]
2006-01-29  7:51                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-29  8:21                                           ` Lee Revell
2006-01-30  4:36                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-01-30  4:55                                         ` Eric Dumazet
2006-01-30  5:11                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-01-30  5:52                                             ` David S. Miller
2006-01-30 10:00                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-02-12  0:45                                             ` Lee Revell
2006-01-24 16:57 ` Dipankar Sarma

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