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From: Xavier Bestel <xavier.bestel@free.fr>
To: Joerg Schilling <schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de>
Cc: oliver@neukum.org, mrmacman_g4@mac.com, matthias.andree@gmx.de,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, jerome.lacoste@gmail.com,
	jengelh@linux01.gwdg.de, James@superbug.co.uk, j@bitron.ch,
	acahalan@gmail.com
Subject: Re: CD writing in future Linux (stirring up a hornets' nest)
Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 11:57:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1138964278.23569.77.camel@capoeira> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43E32884.nail5CA1O92YA@burner>

On Fri, 2006-02-03 at 10:55, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> Xavier Bestel <xavier.bestel@free.fr> wrote:
> > I understand your point, but believe me, *nobody* wants one HAL per
> > application. There need to be only one HAL for all, and as freedesktop's
> > HAL has the functionnality necessary for cdrecord (minus perhaps a few
> 
> If people don't want this confusion, why do they start with a new system?
> 
> libscg & cdrecord have been available long before Linux HAL was there.

Because libscg handles only SCSI, whereas HAL does work for all disk
types, floppies, serial ports, PCI buses, graphics cards, processors,
etc. Imagine there was one library per peripheral type - oh the pain.

> And the most important argument here is that it is extremely unlikely that
> this Linux HAL will handle all oddities of all CD/DVD-writers, do it is 
> unapropriate to use this interface in case that you like to get more 
> information than just "the drive is there".

For now, it sure doesn't equal cdrecord in that area. But give it time
and it will progress. After all, there's no reason HAL can't gain from
your expertise on the matter.

> Note that UNIX people usually believe that is is best practice to have this 
> kind of software intergrated in the kernel (or at leat in the system). This is 
> what FreeBSD did try for some years, and FreeBSD has failed with this attempt.

AFAIR this was deemed too complex to live in kernelspace. Maybe
FreeBSD's failure is a good indication it's true.

	Xav



  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-02-03 10:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 717+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-01-25  2:58 CD writing in future Linux (stirring up a hornets' nest) Albert Cahalan
2006-01-25 16:31 ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-25 16:56   ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-25 17:08     ` Matthias Andree
2006-01-25 17:18       ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-25 17:30         ` Matthias Andree
2006-01-26  9:50           ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-26 10:34             ` jerome lacoste
2006-01-26 14:03               ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-26 18:23                 ` Gene Heskett
2006-01-26 19:38                 ` jerome lacoste
2006-01-27  5:24                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-01-27 13:15                   ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-27 14:09                     ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-27 23:28                     ` Matthias Andree
2006-01-26 11:09             ` Matthias Andree
2006-01-25 18:17         ` Jens Axboe
2006-01-25 17:14     ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-25 18:05       ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-26 10:06         ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-26 10:40           ` Matthias Andree
2006-01-26 14:05             ` Joerg Schilling
     [not found]               ` <20060126103004.07e02876.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-01-26 15:30                 ` sean
2006-01-25 23:08       ` Matthias Andree
2006-01-26 12:27         ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-26 16:10           ` Vojtech Pavlik
2006-01-26 17:55             ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-26 18:10               ` Vojtech Pavlik
2006-01-26 18:28                 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-26 18:38                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-26 19:07                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-01-26 19:24                       ` Vojtech Pavlik
2006-01-26 19:51                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-26 19:22                     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2006-01-26 19:21                   ` Vojtech Pavlik
2006-01-26 19:28                   ` Diego Calleja
2006-01-26 19:44                     ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-26 20:13                       ` Diego Calleja
2006-01-27 14:30             ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-27 16:44               ` James Courtier-Dutton
2006-01-27 17:01                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-30 11:43                   ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-30 12:04                     ` Matthias Andree
2006-01-30 12:23                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-01-30 16:15                         ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-04 11:17                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-01-30 16:12                       ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-30 16:30                         ` Matthias Andree
2006-01-30 16:34                           ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-30 17:05                             ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-01 15:01                               ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-30 16:35                         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-01-30 16:46                           ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-01 15:06                             ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-01 17:01                               ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-02 16:17                                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-03 11:32                                   ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-03 13:45                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-30 17:38                     ` Jürg Billeter
2006-01-31 10:30                       ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-31 11:11                         ` Martin Mares
2006-01-31 13:27                           ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-31 13:41                             ` Matthias Andree
2006-01-31 13:42                             ` Martin Mares
2006-02-01 15:19                             ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-01 21:49                               ` Ian Kester-Haney
2006-02-02  9:42                               ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-02  9:54                                 ` Martin Mares
2006-02-02 10:14                                 ` Matthias Andree
2006-01-31 12:10                         ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2006-01-31 13:35                           ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-31 13:42                             ` Matthias Andree
2006-01-31 13:49                             ` Martin Mares
2006-01-31 14:23                             ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2006-02-01 15:34                               ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-01 15:49                                 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2006-02-02  9:49                                 ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-02 10:20                                   ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-02 11:28                                     ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-02 12:46                                       ` Martin Mares
2006-02-02 10:21                                   ` Martin Mares
2006-02-02 13:18                                   ` Jens Axboe
2006-02-02 16:12                                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-31 12:24                         ` jerome lacoste
2006-01-31 12:33                           ` Oliver Neukum
2006-01-31 12:44                             ` Denis Vlasenko
2006-02-01 15:37                               ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-01 15:55                                 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-02-02 15:24                                   ` Albert Cahalan
2006-02-01 15:56                                 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2006-02-01 16:28                                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-01 17:51                                     ` Kyle Moffett
2006-02-02  7:59                             ` Xavier Bestel
2006-02-02 11:19                               ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-02 11:34                                 ` Xavier Bestel
2006-02-02 12:51                                   ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-02 13:02                                     ` Xavier Bestel
2006-02-03  9:55                                       ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-03 10:05                                         ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-03 13:57                                           ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-03 15:50                                           ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-03 10:57                                         ` Xavier Bestel [this message]
2006-02-02 13:24                                     ` grundig
2006-02-03 10:06                                       ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-03 10:39                                         ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-02 16:20                                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-03  8:11                                     ` Alexander Samad
2006-01-31 12:32                         ` Juerg Billeter
2006-01-31 13:37                           ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-31 13:44                             ` Martin Mares
2006-02-02  6:28                             ` Jim Crilly
2006-02-02 11:17                               ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-02 11:37                                 ` grundig
2006-02-02 12:15                                 ` Martin Mares
2006-02-02 12:24                                 ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-02 16:18                                 ` Jim Crilly
2006-02-02 17:17                                   ` Albert Cahalan
2006-02-02 20:39                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-02 21:09                                       ` Jim Crilly
2006-02-02 21:20                                         ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-02 21:46                                           ` Jim Crilly
2006-02-03 13:36                                             ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-03  2:27                                           ` Albert Cahalan
2006-02-03 13:47                                             ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-03 15:20                                             ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-03 15:53                                               ` Jim Crilly
2006-02-03 16:54                                                 ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-03 17:49                                                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-02-03 18:35                                                   ` Jim Crilly
2006-02-03 18:57                                                   ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-03 18:04                                                 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-02-03 18:13                                                   ` Kay Sievers
2006-02-03 18:45                                                     ` Olivier Galibert
2006-02-03 18:37                                                   ` Jim Crilly
2006-02-04 15:35                                                     ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-02-04 15:43                                                       ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-04 18:33                                                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-05  7:40                                                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-05 16:04                                                         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-02-05 16:15                                                         ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-05 17:50                                                           ` Kyle Moffett
2006-02-05 21:15                                                             ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-05 22:27                                                             ` Neil Brown
2006-02-06 11:15                                                               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-02-06 14:58                                                                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-06 18:17                                                                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-02-06 18:37                                                                     ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-09 16:09                                                                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-03 19:50                                                   ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-03 20:47                                                     ` Olivier Galibert
2006-02-03 21:06                                                       ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-04  0:02                                                         ` Olivier Galibert
2006-02-04 16:56                                                           ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-03 16:10                                               ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-03 16:56                                                 ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-03 19:06                                                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-03 19:15                                                     ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-04 11:08                                                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-03 19:22                                                     ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-03 20:01                                                   ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-03 18:20                                               ` [cdrtools PATCH (GPL)] " Matthias Andree
2006-02-03 18:31                                                 ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-03 18:42                                                   ` Jim Crilly
2006-02-03 19:10                                                     ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-03 19:18                                                       ` Jim Crilly
2006-02-03 19:28                                                       ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-08 22:13                                                         ` Pavel Machek
2006-02-09 20:10                                                           ` jerome lacoste
2006-02-09 22:38                                                           ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-10 12:11                                                             ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-10 12:24                                                               ` jerome lacoste
2006-02-10 22:20                                                               ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-03 19:14                                                   ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-03 20:08                                                     ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-03 21:17                                                       ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-02 21:25                                         ` Lee Revell
2006-02-02 21:49                                           ` Jim Crilly
2006-02-02 21:54                                             ` Lee Revell
2006-02-02 21:56                                             ` Lee Revell
2006-02-03  8:54                                               ` Jens Axboe
2006-02-03 13:29                                           ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-03 13:51                                             ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-03 14:05                                               ` Kay Sievers
2006-02-03 16:48                                                 ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-03 16:47                                               ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-03 13:25                                         ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-01 15:39                           ` [OT] " Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-31 16:43                         ` Paul Jakma
2006-02-01  5:07                           ` Albert Cahalan
2006-02-01 21:45                             ` Paul Jakma
2006-01-30 21:02                     ` Bill Davidsen
2006-01-30 11:25                 ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-26  2:26   ` Albert Cahalan
2006-01-26  8:19     ` Matthias Andree
2006-01-26 13:53       ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-26 13:50     ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-26 16:56       ` Matan Peled
2006-01-27 11:05         ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-26 18:42       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-27  0:19       ` Albert Cahalan
2006-01-27  0:40         ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-27  8:21         ` Xavier Bestel
2006-01-27  8:26         ` DervishD
2006-01-30 21:49         ` Bill Davidsen
2006-01-30 21:57           ` Matthias Andree
2006-01-30 22:12           ` Lee Revell
2006-02-16 16:15             ` Bill Davidsen
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2006-02-14 19:13 ` Joerg Schilling
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2006-02-12 16:03                       ` Bodo Eggert
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2006-02-03 13:54                           ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-03 19:30                             ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-06 14:46                               ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-06 17:37                                 ` René Rebe
2006-02-06 17:43                                 ` Bodo Eggert
2006-02-07 10:56                                 ` Matthias Andree
2006-01-25  3:23 Albert Cahalan
2006-01-25 14:26 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-25 14:45   ` Jens Axboe
2006-01-25 15:13     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-25 15:30       ` Jens Axboe
2006-01-25 17:03         ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-25 17:11           ` Matthias Andree
2006-01-25 17:18           ` grundig
2006-01-25 17:31             ` Jens Axboe
2006-01-25 18:22               ` Matthias Andree
2006-01-25 18:25                 ` Jens Axboe
2006-01-25 23:14                   ` Matthias Andree
2006-01-26  1:13                     ` grundig
2006-01-26  8:23                       ` Matthias Andree
2006-01-26 13:56                         ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-26 18:47                           ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-30 21:58                           ` Bill Davidsen
2006-01-26 13:41                       ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-26  0:36                 ` Nix
2006-01-26 13:39                   ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-10 21:06                   ` Bill Davidsen
     [not found]                     ` <20060210184241.35332e78.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-02-10 23:42                       ` sean
2006-02-10 23:51                     ` Christian Neumair
2006-02-13 13:24                       ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-13 13:55                         ` Martin Mares
2006-02-13 15:17                           ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-18 13:47                             ` Bill Davidsen
2006-02-19  1:10                               ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-19  9:20                                 ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-20  1:53                                   ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-20 16:41                                     ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-20 18:40                                       ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-21 10:08                                         ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-21 10:20                                           ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-21  4:11                                       ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-21 10:36                                         ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-24 19:46                                           ` Christian Neumair
2006-02-27 11:32                                             ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-20 16:05                               ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-20 18:53                                 ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-20 22:30                                   ` Martin Schlemmer
2006-02-21  8:32                                   ` Jens Axboe
2006-02-21 10:19                                   ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-21 10:23                                     ` Jens Axboe
2006-02-13 14:07                         ` jerome lacoste
2006-02-13 15:26                           ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-13 15:42                             ` jerome lacoste
2006-02-13 16:43                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-13 17:27                           ` Luke-Jr
2006-02-14  8:11                             ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-14  0:01                         ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-14 13:59                           ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-10 23:56                     ` Greg KH
2006-02-12 12:04                       ` Olivier Galibert
2006-02-12 16:46                         ` Greg KH
2006-02-12 21:14                           ` Olivier Galibert
2006-02-12 21:49                             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-02-13  6:24                             ` Greg KH
2006-02-13 16:49                               ` Olivier Galibert
2006-02-13 17:50                                 ` Greg KH
2006-02-13  5:01                       ` Daniel Barkalow
2006-02-13  6:21                         ` Greg KH
2006-02-13  8:05                           ` Daniel Barkalow
2006-02-13 17:51                             ` Greg KH
2006-02-13 18:03                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-02-13 19:09                                 ` Daniel Barkalow
2006-02-17 21:35                                   ` Bill Davidsen
2006-02-18  0:02                                     ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-18 16:56                                       ` Bill Davidsen
2006-02-19  0:29                                         ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-18  0:35                                     ` Greg KH
2006-02-18 12:06                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-02-18 13:37                                       ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-02-18 13:52                                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-02-19 12:04                                           ` Jens Axboe
2006-02-18 17:15                                       ` Gene Heskett
2006-02-19  0:41                                         ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-19  5:44                                           ` Gene Heskett
2006-02-19  9:27                                           ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-27 20:23                                             ` Bill Davidsen
2006-02-19 18:50                                         ` Daniel Barkalow
2006-02-18 18:36                                       ` Chris Adams
2006-02-19  1:05                                         ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-27 20:24                                         ` Bill Davidsen
2006-02-27 21:21                                           ` Chris Adams
2006-02-27 21:47                                             ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-27 22:30                                               ` Peter Gordon
2006-02-27 22:24                                                 ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-28  0:44                                                   ` Sam Vilain
2006-02-13 13:26                       ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-13 15:49                         ` Greg KH
2006-02-14 18:59                           ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-14 19:53                             ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-14 19:58                               ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-14 20:25                                 ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-14 22:35                                 ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-14 22:32                             ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-14 18:59                           ` Olivier Galibert
2006-02-14 19:01                           ` Bill Davidsen
2006-02-14 22:33                             ` Nix
2006-02-15 15:44                           ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-15 16:40                             ` Olivier Galibert
2006-02-15 17:07                             ` Greg KH
2006-02-13 22:14                         ` Nix
2006-02-14  0:03                           ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-14  0:32                             ` Nix
2006-02-14  9:22                           ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-14 18:09                             ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-14 18:41                               ` Olivier Galibert
2006-02-17 15:36                                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-14 11:27                           ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-14 22:30                             ` Greg KH
2006-02-15  0:43                               ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-15  5:20                                 ` Greg KH
2006-02-16 12:01                                   ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-16 16:51                                     ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-02-16 18:03                                     ` Greg KH
2006-02-14 22:40                             ` Nix
2006-02-16 12:09                               ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-16 12:36                                 ` Martin Mares
2006-02-17  0:38                                   ` Nix
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2006-02-18 21:04                                     ` Martin Mares
2006-02-18 22:00                                       ` Ondrej Zary
2006-02-16 12:55                                 ` Marc Koschewski
2006-02-13 12:11                     ` Joerg Schilling
     [not found]                       ` <515e525f0602130446s1091f09ande10910f65a0f5f0@mail.gmail.com>
2006-02-13 15:12                         ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-13 16:40                           ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-13 23:24                           ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-14 13:55                             ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-14 21:59                               ` D. Hazelton
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2006-02-18 20:00                                   ` Nix
2006-01-26 10:11                 ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-25 19:04               ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-26  9:38             ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-26  9:45               ` Lee Revell
2006-01-26 13:58                 ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-26 14:09                   ` Nick Piggin
2006-01-26 14:32                     ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-26 15:16                       ` Nick Piggin
2006-01-26 16:04                       ` Matthias Andree
2006-01-26 15:38               ` grundig
2006-01-25 19:00           ` Tomasz Torcz
2006-01-26 10:25             ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-26 10:56               ` Tomasz Torcz
2006-01-26 14:11                 ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-25 22:01         ` jerome lacoste
2006-01-26 12:13           ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-26 12:39             ` Martin Mares
2006-01-26 14:14               ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-26 20:42         ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-27  8:00           ` Jens Axboe
2006-01-30 22:52             ` Bill Davidsen
2006-01-31  2:04               ` Kyle Moffett
2006-02-16 16:20                 ` Bill Davidsen
2006-02-16 17:45                   ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-25 17:10       ` are added/removed - which
     [not found] <5y7B5-1dw-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <5y7KL-1DZ-31@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <5yddh-1pA-47@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <5ydni-1Qq-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <5yek1-3iP-53@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <5yeth-3us-33@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]           ` <5yf5O-4iF-19@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]             ` <5yfI4-5kU-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]               ` <5ygE4-6LK-35@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]                 ` <5yhqg-7ZR-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]                   ` <5yi2X-zm-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
2006-01-24  9:14                     ` CD writing in future Linux (stirring up a hornets' nest) (was: Rationale for RLIMIT_MEMLOCK?) Bodo Eggert
2006-01-24 14:38                       ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-24 17:44                         ` CD writing in future Linux (stirring up a hornets' nest) Bodo Eggert
2006-01-23 11:05 Rationale for RLIMIT_MEMLOCK? Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-23 16:54 ` Matthias Andree
2006-01-23 17:00   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-23 18:01     ` Matthias Andree
2006-01-23 18:13       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-23 18:55         ` Matthias Andree
2006-01-23 19:38           ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-23 20:30             ` Lee Revell
2006-01-23 21:21               ` CD writing in future Linux (stirring up a hornets' nest) (was: Rationale for RLIMIT_MEMLOCK?) Matthias Andree
2006-01-24 17:42                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-24 18:18                   ` CD writing in future Linux (stirring up a hornets' nest) Matthias Andree
2006-01-24 20:54                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-25 15:26                       ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-25 15:13                     ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-25 14:04                   ` CD writing in future Linux (stirring up a hornets' nest) (was: Rationale for RLIMIT_MEMLOCK?) Joerg Schilling
2006-01-25 14:21                     ` Jens Axboe
2006-01-25 14:47                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-25 14:55                         ` Jens Axboe
2006-01-25 17:00                           ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-25 17:10                             ` CD writing in future Linux (stirring up a hornets' nest) Matthias Andree
2006-01-25 17:20                               ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-25 17:27                                 ` Jens Axboe
2006-01-25 23:19                                 ` Matthias Andree
2006-01-26 12:30                                   ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-26 12:58                                     ` Matthias Andree
2006-01-26 14:19                                       ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-26 21:02                                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-26 21:40                                         ` Matthias Andree
2006-01-25 17:24                               ` Jens Axboe
2006-01-26  9:35                               ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-26  9:48                                 ` Jens Axboe
2006-01-26 10:10                                   ` Matthias Andree
2006-01-26 14:01                                     ` Joerg Schilling
2006-01-23 10:56 Rationale for RLIMIT_MEMLOCK? Matthias Andree
2006-02-02 17:17 ` CD writing in future Linux (stirring up a hornets' nest) (was: Rationale for RLIMIT_MEMLOCK?) Luke-Jr
2006-02-03 14:08   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-03 17:24     ` Luke-Jr
2006-02-06 13:51       ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-06 15:06         ` Peter Read
2006-02-06 15:15           ` CD writing in future Linux (stirring up a hornets' nest) Matthias Andree
2006-02-06 20:54             ` Jim Crilly
2006-02-07 13:06               ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-07 13:18                 ` Martin Mares
2006-02-07 13:47                 ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-07 18:37                 ` Jim Crilly
2006-02-08 13:27                   ` Joerg Schilling
     [not found]                     ` <20060208084501.7bee86b4.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-02-08 13:45                       ` sean
2006-02-08 13:51                     ` Martin Mares
2006-02-08 14:12                     ` Keith Duthie
2006-02-08 16:28                     ` Jim Crilly
2006-02-08 16:32                       ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-08 16:53                         ` Jim Crilly
2006-02-09  9:39                           ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-09 10:00                             ` Martin Mares
2006-02-09 23:14                               ` Kyle Moffett
2006-02-10  1:52                                 ` Jim Crilly
2006-02-10 12:24                                   ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-10 12:15                                 ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-09 12:37                                   ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-10 13:02                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-02-17 20:55                                       ` Bill Davidsen
2006-02-17 21:01                                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-02-18 16:44                                           ` Bill Davidsen
     [not found]                                             ` <20060218115802.739dc947.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-02-18 16:58                                               ` sean
2006-02-10 16:32                                   ` Luke-Jr
2006-02-09 10:41                             ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-09 13:35                               ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-09 14:00                                 ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-09 10:50                             ` Ralf Müller
2006-02-09 16:30                             ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-09 16:47                               ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-09 17:15                                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-09 17:28                                   ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-09 17:36                                     ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-09 17:37                                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-10 10:58                                       ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-09 17:36                                     ` Martin Mares
2006-02-10 10:59                                       ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-10 11:47                                         ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-10 12:35                                           ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-09 12:57                                             ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-10 13:03                                               ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-10  3:21                                                 ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-13 13:40                                                   ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-13 13:52                                                     ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-13 15:15                                                       ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-13 23:26                                                         ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-13 14:07                                                     ` Martin Mares
2006-02-13 15:29                                                       ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-13 16:11                                                         ` Jim Crilly
2006-02-13 22:54                                                         ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-14  5:09                                                         ` Alexander Samad
2006-02-13 23:13                                                     ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-10 13:25                                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-02-10  3:36                                                   ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-10 15:38                                                 ` jerome lacoste
2006-02-10  3:41                                                   ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-13 13:44                                                     ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-13 14:08                                                       ` jerome lacoste
2006-02-13 15:26                                                         ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-13 15:47                                                           ` jerome lacoste
2006-02-13 16:19                                                             ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-13 23:01                                                       ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-14 13:37                                                         ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-14 14:24                                                           ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-14 16:55                                                             ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-14 22:27                                                               ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-14 18:43                                                           ` Jim Crilly
2006-02-14 19:06                                                             ` Olivier Galibert
2006-02-14 22:15                                                           ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-14  1:05                                                       ` kernel
2006-02-14 14:03                                                         ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-10 16:23                                                   ` Gene Heskett
2006-02-13 10:40                                                   ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-13 10:52                                                     ` Martin Mares
2006-02-13 14:57                                                       ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-13 15:03                                                         ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-13 16:29                                                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-13 16:34                                                           ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-14  8:08                                                             ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-13 16:30                                                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-14  5:19                                                       ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-02-14  9:20                                                         ` Martin Mares
2006-02-14 10:03                                                           ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-14 15:11                                                             ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-14 14:25                                                           ` Lennart Sorensen
2006-02-13 12:07                                                     ` jerome lacoste
2006-02-13 15:04                                                       ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-13 15:24                                                         ` jerome lacoste
2006-02-13 15:49                                                           ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-13 16:05                                                             ` jerome lacoste
2006-02-13 16:24                                                               ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-13 16:34                                                                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-13 16:37                                                                   ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-13 19:19                                                                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-02-14 11:48                                                                       ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-14 12:21                                                                         ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-14 16:42                                                                           ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-14 16:57                                                                             ` grundig
2006-02-14 17:42                                                                               ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-14 22:22                                                                             ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-14 12:23                                                                         ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-14 22:51                                                                           ` Rob Landley
2006-02-14 23:24                                                                             ` Olivier Galibert
2006-02-15  0:26                                                                               ` Rob Landley
2006-02-15  2:19                                                                               ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-15  2:32                                                                                 ` grundig
2006-02-15  0:04                                                                             ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-15  2:55                                                                               ` Rob Landley
2006-02-15  6:13                                                                                 ` Anders Karlsson
2006-02-15  8:37                                                                                 ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-15 18:31                                                                                 ` Lennart Sorensen
2006-02-15 19:09                                                                                   ` Rob Landley
2006-02-15 19:16                                                                                     ` Doug McNaught
2006-02-15 19:47                                                                                       ` Rob Landley
2006-02-15 19:50                                                                                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2006-02-15 21:31                                                                                       ` Rob Landley
2006-02-17  9:06                                                                                         ` Helge Hafting
2006-02-17 13:07                                                                                           ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-17 15:33                                                                                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-16  3:06                                                                                     ` John Stoffel
2006-02-16  3:32                                                                                       ` Rob Landley
2006-02-16  4:08                                                                                         ` Alexander Samad
2006-02-17  8:54                                                                                 ` Helge Hafting
     [not found]                                                                         ` <515e525f0602140501j1f9fbe14x8a3eef0bbf179035@mail.gmail.com>
2006-02-14 16:47                                                                           ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-14 17:08                                                                             ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-14 18:05                                                                               ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-14 17:47                                                                             ` Lennart Sorensen
2006-02-14 18:42                                                                             ` Jim Crilly
2006-02-13 22:01                                                                     ` Carlo J. Calica
2006-02-13 16:36                                                                 ` Xavier Bestel
2006-02-13 17:12                                                                 ` jerome lacoste
2006-02-13 18:12                                                                   ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-14 11:31                                                                     ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-14 12:15                                                                       ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-14 16:40                                                                         ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-14 22:12                                                                           ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-14 12:43                                                                       ` jerome lacoste
2006-02-14 16:45                                                                         ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-13 22:57                                                     ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-13  0:44                                                 ` Alexander Samad
2006-02-13 14:12                                                 ` jerome lacoste
2006-02-10 12:41                                             ` Martin Mares
2006-02-10 12:59                                               ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-10 13:10                                                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-10 13:22                                                   ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-10 14:16                                                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2006-02-10 14:32                                                       ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-10 14:45                                                         ` Christopher Friesen
2006-02-10 14:52                                                           ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-10 15:13                                                             ` Christopher Friesen
2006-02-10 15:32                                                               ` Chris Shoemaker
2006-02-10 15:53                                                                 ` Christopher Friesen
2006-02-10 18:48                                                                   ` Chris Shoemaker
2006-02-13 10:33                                                                 ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-13 10:30                                                               ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-13 10:55                                                                 ` Martin Mares
2006-02-13 12:01                                                                 ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-14  5:22                                                                   ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-02-13 23:35                                                                 ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-10 14:52                                                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2006-02-10 14:54                                                           ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-10 15:42                                                             ` Erik Mouw
2006-02-10 23:28                                                               ` Marc Koschewski
2006-02-10 15:57                                                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2006-02-13 10:45                                                               ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-13 12:15                                                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2006-02-13 15:07                                                                   ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-13 15:26                                                                     ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-13 16:35                                                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-10 16:24                                                             ` Diego Calleja
2006-02-13 10:47                                                               ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-13 15:36                                                                 ` Florin Malita
2006-02-13 15:56                                                                   ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-13 16:28                                                                     ` Diego Calleja
2006-02-13 16:38                                                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-13 16:40                                                                     ` Florin Malita
2006-02-13 16:43                                                                       ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-13 17:16                                                                         ` Luke-Jr
2006-02-10 17:03                                                         ` Nikita Danilov
2006-02-12 10:01                                                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-13 14:07                                                           ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-13 14:24                                                             ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-13 16:25                                                               ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-13 10:14                                                     ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-13 10:54                                                       ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-10 22:40                                             ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-10 11:49                                         ` DervishD
2006-02-10 11:55                                           ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-10 12:15                                             ` DervishD
2006-02-10 12:36                                           ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-10 22:43                                             ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-12 23:17                                             ` Sam Vilain
2006-02-13 14:29                                               ` Joerg Schilling
     [not found]                                                 ` <20060213095038.03247484.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-02-13 14:50                                                   ` sean
2006-02-13 15:36                                                   ` Joerg Schilling
     [not found]                                                     ` <20060213104548.2999033d.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-02-13 15:45                                                       ` sean
2006-02-13 16:10                                                     ` Martin Mares
2006-02-13 16:26                                                       ` Joerg Schilling
     [not found]                                                         ` <515e525f0602130834h1fd23146laf9daf354b1b8c75@mail.gmail.com>
2006-02-13 16:38                                                           ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-13 16:44                                                         ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-13 16:50                                                         ` Martin Mares
2006-02-13 16:56                                                           ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-13 17:14                                                             ` Martin Mares
2006-02-13 17:27                                                               ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-13 17:37                                                                 ` Martin Mares
2006-02-13 20:13                                                                 ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-14  8:01                                                                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-13 17:22                                                         ` Luke-Jr
2006-02-13 17:40                                                           ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-13 17:48                                                             ` newbiz
2006-02-13 17:49                                                             ` Luke-Jr
2006-02-14 11:13                                                               ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-14 12:08                                                                 ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-14 16:35                                                                   ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-14 16:44                                                                     ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-14 16:45                                                                     ` grundig
2006-02-14 18:00                                                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-13 19:20                                                             ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-13 23:42                                                         ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-14  8:04                                                           ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-14  8:25                                                             ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-14 15:04                                                             ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-14 16:53                                                               ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-14 17:41                                                                 ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-14 19:49                                                                   ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-14 19:56                                                                     ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-14 20:23                                                                       ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-14 22:10                                                               ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-16 11:42                                                                 ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-16 11:52                                                                   ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-16 18:06                                                                     ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-16 18:14                                                                       ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-17 10:29                                                                         ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-17 10:48                                                                           ` Martin Mares
2006-02-17 12:09                                                                           ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-17 20:45                                                                           ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-20 14:59                                                                             ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-20 18:33                                                                               ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-21  9:55                                                                                 ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-21 23:48                                                                                   ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-22 17:49                                                                                     ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-21  9:30                                                                               ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-16 19:26                                                                       ` Edgar Toernig
2006-02-17 10:49                                                                         ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-17 13:08                                                                           ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-16 22:42                                                                       ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-17 11:41                                                                         ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-17 12:01                                                                           ` Martin Mares
2006-02-17 13:22                                                                             ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-17 13:40                                                                               ` Martin Mares
     [not found]                                                                           ` <20060217083710.2dc6879e.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-02-17 13:37                                                                             ` sean
2006-02-17 15:45                                                                           ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-17 21:52                                                                             ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-17 23:46                                                                               ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-17 20:02                                                                           ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-17 18:12                                                                             ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-20 14:51                                                                             ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-20 15:47                                                                               ` Martin Mares
2006-02-20 17:14                                                                               ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-20 18:02                                                                               ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-21  9:44                                                                                 ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-21 10:16                                                                                   ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-21 11:01                                                                                     ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-21 23:37                                                                                   ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-22 17:13                                                                                     ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-22 17:30                                                                                       ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-13 16:13                                                     ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-13 14:57                                                 ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-13 23:18                                                 ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-14 13:39                                                   ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-13  0:50                                           ` Alexander Samad
2006-02-13 14:33                                             ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-13 22:12                                               ` Lennart Sorensen
2006-02-13 23:21                                               ` D. Hazelton
2006-02-14  8:06                                               ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-09 17:36                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-10 11:02                                       ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-10 13:13                                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-10 17:32                                         ` Michael Buesch
2006-02-09 17:15                               ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-10  4:49                             ` Alexander Samad
2006-02-08 22:52                         ` Martin Mares
     [not found]                         ` <43EA2A58.9070501@gmx.de>
     [not found]                           ` <43EB1067.nail52A2154ZR@burner>
2006-02-09 10:50                             ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-09 13:40                               ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-09 15:11                                 ` DervishD
2006-02-09 15:46                                   ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-09 16:32                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-08 21:02                     ` DervishD
2006-02-08 21:14                       ` Lennart Sorensen
2006-02-08 21:26                         ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-09 17:54                           ` Lennart Sorensen
2006-02-09  9:02                         ` DervishD
2006-02-09 13:31                           ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-09 15:02                             ` DervishD
2006-02-09 15:45                               ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-09 15:57                                 ` Jim Crilly
2006-02-10  5:05                                 ` Alexander Samad
2006-02-09 10:29                         ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-09 10:53                           ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-09 13:42                             ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-09 15:33                               ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-09 14:57                           ` DervishD
2006-02-09 15:42                             ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-09 16:32                               ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-09 17:33                               ` DervishD
2006-02-10 10:57                                 ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-10 11:45                                   ` DervishD
2006-02-10 12:33                                     ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-10 12:58                                       ` DervishD
2006-02-09 16:00                           ` Jim Crilly
2006-02-09 16:01                             ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-09 16:10                               ` Jim Crilly
2006-02-09 16:13                                 ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-09 16:26                                   ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-09 16:30                                   ` Jim Crilly
2006-02-09 10:27                       ` Joerg Schilling
2006-02-09 10:58                         ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-09 14:55                         ` DervishD

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