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From: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
To: Peter Williams <pwil3058@bigpond.net.au>
Cc: tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com, Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>,
	"Chen, Kenneth W" <kenneth.w.chen@intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@elte.hu,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: Regression seen for patch "sched:dont decrease idle sleep avg"
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 07:24:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1147843481.8335.53.camel@homer> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <446AAA6D.9080401@bigpond.net.au>

On Wed, 2006-05-17 at 14:45 +1000, Peter Williams wrote:
> Mike Galbraith wrote:
> > On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 16:32 -0700, Tim Chen wrote:
> >> On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 09:45 +1000, Con Kolivas wrote:
> >>
> >>> Yes it's only designed to detect something that has been asleep for an 
> >>> arbitrary long time and "categorised as idle"; it is not supposed to be a 
> >>> priority stepping stone for everything, in this case at MAX_BONUS-1. Mike 
> >>> proposed doing this instead, but it was never my intent. 
> >> It seems like just one sleep longer than INTERACTIVE_SLEEP is needed
> >> kick the priority of a process all the way to MAX_BONUS-1 and boost the
> >> sleep_avg, regardless of what the prior sleep_avg was.
> >>
> >> So if there is a cpu hog that has long sleeps occasionally, once it woke
> >> up, its priority will get boosted close to maximum, likely starving out
> >> other processes for a while till its sleep_avg gets reduced.  This
> >> behavior seems like something to avoid according to the original code
> >> comment.  Are we boosting the priority too quickly?  
> > 
> > The answer to that is, sometimes yes, and when it bites, it bites hard.
> > Happily, most hogs don't sleep much, and we don't generally have lots of
> > bursty sleepers.
> > 
> 
> But it's easy for a malicious user to exploit.  Yes?

Without limits, sure.  Burn malicious idiot's library card :)  The real
pain begins when you start examining legitimate loads.  It _can_ get
really and truly fugly.  Generally doesn't.

	-Mike


  reply	other threads:[~2006-05-17  5:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-05-08 23:18 Regression seen for patch "sched:dont decrease idle sleep avg" Tim Chen
2006-05-09  0:43 ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-09  1:07   ` Martin Bligh
2006-05-12  0:04   ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-05-13 12:27     ` Andrew Morton
2006-05-13 13:07       ` Mike Galbraith
2006-05-14 16:03     ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-15 19:01       ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-05-15 23:45         ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-16  1:22           ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-05-16  1:44             ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-16  4:10           ` Mike Galbraith
2006-05-16 23:32           ` Tim Chen
2006-05-17  4:25             ` Mike Galbraith
2006-05-17  4:45               ` Peter Williams
2006-05-17  5:24                 ` Mike Galbraith [this message]
2006-05-17  8:23             ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-17  9:49               ` Mike Galbraith
2006-05-17 10:25                 ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-17 11:42                   ` Mike Galbraith
2006-05-17 12:46                     ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-17 13:41                       ` Mike Galbraith
2006-05-17 15:10                         ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-17 17:21                           ` Ray Lee
2006-05-17 19:33               ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-05-18  0:35                 ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-18  1:10                   ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-05-18  1:38                     ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-18  5:44                       ` Mike Galbraith
2006-05-18  5:52                         ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-18  7:04                           ` Mike Galbraith
2006-05-18 12:59                             ` Mike Galbraith
2006-05-19  1:10                               ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-18 23:17                           ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-05-19  1:30                             ` [PATCH] sched: fix interactive ceiling code Con Kolivas
2006-05-19  2:02                               ` Mike Galbraith
2006-05-19  9:40                               ` Ingo Molnar
2006-05-19 14:37                               ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-05-19 16:19                                 ` tim_c_chen
2006-05-18 23:34                           ` Regression seen for patch "sched:dont decrease idle sleep avg" Chen, Kenneth W
2006-05-19  1:07                             ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-16  4:07         ` Mike Galbraith
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2006-05-18  4:01 Al Boldi

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