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From: Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: Olivier Galibert <galibert@pobox.com>,
	alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>,
	perex@suse.cz, Olaf Hering <olh@suse.de>,
	James Courtier-Dutton <James@superbug.co.uk>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [Alsa-devel] OSS driver removal, 2nd round
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:54:37 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1151704479.32444.72.camel@mindpipe> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1151703286.11434.61.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org>

On Fri, 2006-06-30 at 23:34 +0200, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-06-30 at 17:29 -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
> > As sound hardware gets dumber and cheaper, kernel OSS emulation will
> > become increasingly useless.  The cheap onboard devices (and even mid
> > range stuff like the SBLive! 24 bit) require sample rate conversion,
> > mixing, and even volume control to be handled in software.  ALSA's
> > in-kernel OSS emulation does not have these features and never will.
> > 
> > (I wish the authors of Skype, Flash, TeamSpeak, Enemy Territory, and
> > other proprietary OSS-only apps would understand this ;-)
> 
> 
> maybe it's time to start printing a warning to users of OSS api (rate
> limited etc etc)

It might help, but I'm not so sure.  The users have been complaining for
years (the most common complaint by far on #alsa is that OSS apps block
the soundcard) but these vendors don't seem to listen.  I doubt that
complaints in the kernel log will have an effect if they won't listen to
their users.

I've heard that one reason they won't port to ALSA is that they think
the in-kernel OSS emulation will be "fixed" someday.  Maybe we need to
make it clearer that this won't happen?

Lee


  reply	other threads:[~2006-06-30 21:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-06-29 19:21 OSS driver removal, 2nd round Adrian Bunk
2006-06-30 15:48 ` Ralf Baechle
2006-06-30 16:13 ` [Alsa-devel] " James Courtier-Dutton
2006-06-30 16:31   ` Olivier Galibert
2006-06-30 21:29     ` Lee Revell
2006-06-30 21:34       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-30 21:54         ` Lee Revell [this message]
2006-07-01  8:54         ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-07-01 13:54           ` Lee Revell
2006-07-01 22:51             ` Jan Engelhardt
     [not found]       ` <200607010042.15765.ismail@pardus.org.tr>
2006-06-30 21:56         ` Lee Revell
     [not found]           ` <200607010249.05140.ismail@pardus.org.tr>
2006-07-03 22:38             ` Bill Davidsen
2006-07-05  7:27               ` Stefan Smietanowski
2006-07-05 19:34                 ` Lee Revell
2006-07-05 21:56                   ` Alan Cox
2006-07-01  7:31       ` [Alsa-devel] " Olivier Galibert
2006-07-01  7:43         ` James Courtier-Dutton
2006-07-01 13:52           ` Lee Revell
2006-07-02  6:55           ` James Courtier-Dutton
2006-07-02  9:58             ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-07-02 15:28               ` Lee Revell
2006-07-02 21:08                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-07-02 21:16                   ` Lee Revell
2006-07-03  9:26                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-07-05  7:29                   ` Stefan Smietanowski
2006-07-01  9:26         ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-07-01 16:01     ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-01 23:12 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-03 11:52 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-07-03 19:42   ` Adrian Bunk

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