From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S933163AbWF3Vyb (ORCPT ); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:54:31 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S933160AbWF3Vyb (ORCPT ); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:54:31 -0400 Received: from viper.oldcity.dca.net ([216.158.38.4]:27031 "HELO viper.oldcity.dca.net") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S933223AbWF3Vya (ORCPT ); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:54:30 -0400 Subject: Re: [Alsa-devel] OSS driver removal, 2nd round From: Lee Revell To: Arjan van de Ven Cc: Olivier Galibert , alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Adrian Bunk , perex@suse.cz, Olaf Hering , James Courtier-Dutton , Alan Cox In-Reply-To: <1151703286.11434.61.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> References: <20060629192128.GE19712@stusta.de> <44A54D8E.3000002@superbug.co.uk> <20060630163114.GA12874@dspnet.fr.eu.org> <1151702966.32444.57.camel@mindpipe> <1151703286.11434.61.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:54:37 -0400 Message-Id: <1151704479.32444.72.camel@mindpipe> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, 2006-06-30 at 23:34 +0200, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > On Fri, 2006-06-30 at 17:29 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > As sound hardware gets dumber and cheaper, kernel OSS emulation will > > become increasingly useless. The cheap onboard devices (and even mid > > range stuff like the SBLive! 24 bit) require sample rate conversion, > > mixing, and even volume control to be handled in software. ALSA's > > in-kernel OSS emulation does not have these features and never will. > > > > (I wish the authors of Skype, Flash, TeamSpeak, Enemy Territory, and > > other proprietary OSS-only apps would understand this ;-) > > > maybe it's time to start printing a warning to users of OSS api (rate > limited etc etc) It might help, but I'm not so sure. The users have been complaining for years (the most common complaint by far on #alsa is that OSS apps block the soundcard) but these vendors don't seem to listen. I doubt that complaints in the kernel log will have an effect if they won't listen to their users. I've heard that one reason they won't port to ALSA is that they think the in-kernel OSS emulation will be "fixed" someday. Maybe we need to make it clearer that this won't happen? Lee