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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Roman Zippel <zippel@linux-m68k.org>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Mikael Pettersson <mikpe@it.uu.se>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: [BUG] APM resume breakage from 2.6.18-rc1 clocksource changes
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 08:56:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1152860169.7809.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1152828344.6845.96.camel@localhost>

On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 15:05 -0700, john stultz wrote:
> Also note: Assuming no NTP changes during a period, the maximum error in
> nanosecond accumulated over a period is the number of clocksource cycles
> in that period shifted down by the clocksource shift value. (This is
> since the smallest adjustment is 1 mult unit, and mult/2^shift is
> 1/freq)
> 
> So for a counter w/ a 4Ghz frequency and a shift value of 22 (similar to
> a TSC). Over 1 second, if there was no high-precision adjustment, you
> could get a *maximum* of error of ~1us (4b/2^22 = ~1024ns), which is a
> 1ppm drift, if left uncorrected.
> 
> Now, if we have high-precision adjustments, the question is "how fast
> should we fix that 1us error?". If the code assumes we're going to have
> a tick every 1 ms, it can make a stronger adjustment (of 10 mult units)
> which it will remove after the next tick. This however could cause
> problems if we lost ticks and that interrupt was delayed as we would
> overshoot.
> 
> Thus, if we assume that ticks will show up worse case, about once a
> second or two, we can make an adjustment of a single mult unit and
> assume that we'll correct it over the next second. This is what Roman
> was saying would be "slow adjustments", but I don't see it as too
> unacceptable. 

There is really no need to worry about sub micro second accuracy, when
you look at the latencies in todays machines. We need a robust design
and no ivory tower experiments with precisions which are not useful for
anything.

	tglx



  reply	other threads:[~2006-07-14  6:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-07-09 23:52 [BUG] APM resume breakage from 2.6.18-rc1 clocksource changes Mikael Pettersson
2006-07-10  7:55 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-10 17:58 ` john stultz
2006-07-10 18:08   ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-10 18:19     ` john stultz
2006-07-10 22:37     ` Roman Zippel
2006-07-10 22:50       ` john stultz
2006-07-10 22:59         ` Roman Zippel
2006-07-11  8:07           ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-07-11  9:29             ` Roman Zippel
2006-07-11 11:07               ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-07-11 23:31                 ` Roman Zippel
2006-07-12  0:42                   ` john stultz
2006-07-13 20:27                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-07-13 22:05                       ` john stultz
2006-07-14  6:56                         ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2006-07-16 15:52                         ` Roman Zippel
2006-07-16 15:50                       ` Roman Zippel
2006-07-16 16:09                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-07-16 16:15                           ` Roman Zippel
2006-07-10 23:17       ` Pavel Machek
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-07-10 23:36 Mikael Pettersson
2006-07-09 23:53 Mikael Pettersson
2006-07-09 20:58 Mikael Pettersson
2006-07-09 21:20 ` john stultz
2006-07-09 21:31 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-07-09 21:44 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-09 22:51   ` Alan Cox

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