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From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Kylene Jo Hall <kjhall@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Benjamin LaHaise <bcrl@kvack.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	LSM ML <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	Dave Safford <safford@us.ibm.com>, Mimi Zohar <zohar@us.ibm.com>,
	Serge Hallyn <sergeh@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/7] SLIM main patch
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:26:55 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1156418815.3007.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1156365357.6720.87.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Ar Mer, 2006-08-23 am 13:35 -0700, ysgrifennodd Kylene Jo Hall:
> Example: The current process is running at the USER level and writing to
> a USER file in /home/user/.  The process then attempts to read an
> UNTRUSTED file.  The current process will become UNTRUSTED and the read
> allowed to proceed but first write access to all USER files is revoked
> including the ones it has open.

Which really doesn't mean anything in many cases because there are many
ways to get data out of a file handle once you had it opened for write
including sharing via non file handle paths.

You also have to deal with existing mmap() mappings and outstanding I/O.

So here are some ways to break it

	SysV shared memory
	mmap

or just race it:

	Open the USER file
	create a new thread
	thread #1 create a pipe to a new process ("receiver")
	thread #1 fill pipe
	thread #1 issue write of buffer that will hold secret data
			[blocks after check for rights]
	
	thread #2
		wait for thread #1 to block
		read secret data into buffer
		send signal to "receiver"


	receiver now empties the pipe, the write completes and I get the
goodies.

This is why you need a proper implementation of revoke(2) in Linux. You
can't really do it any more easily.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-08-24 11:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-08-23 19:05 [PATCH 3/7] SLIM main patch Kylene Jo Hall
2006-08-23 19:27 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2006-08-23 20:35   ` Kylene Jo Hall
2006-08-23 20:41     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2006-08-23 22:20       ` Kylene Jo Hall
2006-08-24  8:31         ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-08-24 11:26     ` Alan Cox [this message]
2006-08-24 13:32       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-08-24 13:37         ` Benjamin LaHaise
2006-08-24 13:58           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-08-24 14:00             ` Benjamin LaHaise
2006-08-24 14:16               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-08-24 14:15         ` Alan Cox
2006-08-24 15:23           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-08-24 17:05             ` Alan Cox
2006-08-24 17:34               ` David Safford
2006-08-24 19:16                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-08-24 20:21                   ` David Safford
2006-08-24 20:41           ` Mimi Zohar
2006-08-24 22:13             ` Alan Cox
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-09-12 17:57 Kylene Jo Hall
2006-09-14 23:52 ` Andrew Morton
2006-09-15 16:57   ` Kylene Jo Hall
2006-09-26 18:44 ` Stephen Smalley
2006-10-19 20:48   ` Kylene Jo Hall
2006-10-20 15:32     ` Stephen Smalley
2006-10-20 17:58     ` Stephen Smalley

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