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From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: "Serge E. Hallyn" <sergeh@us.ibm.com>
Cc: kjhall@us.ibm.com, Benjamin LaHaise <bcrl@kvack.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	LSM ML <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	David Safford <safford@us.ibm.com>, Mimi Zohar <zohar@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/7] SLIM main patch
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:15:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1156428917.3007.150.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060824133248.GC15680@sergelap.austin.ibm.com>

Ar Iau, 2006-08-24 am 08:32 -0500, ysgrifennodd Serge E. Hallyn:
> > You also have to deal with existing mmap() mappings and outstanding I/O.
> 
> That she does.

I don't believe so from the patches.

> > 	SysV shared memory
> 
> standard mmap controls should handle this, right?

No its rather independant of mmap

> > 	mmap
> 
> She handles these.

I must have missed where it handles that.

> thread #2 is reading data from a pipe which is at a secret level, so how
> will it exploit that?  It can't write it to a lower integrity file...

Ok my example isn't quite right - I can create the pipes and do the
blocking in other patterns to get the result I mean. The problem is that
I can be blocked in a driver write() method before you raise the
security level and no change at the VFS level will be early enough to
stop it.

Another example would be

Type ^S
	thread #1
		write(console, padding, internalbuffersize);
		write(console, secret_buffer, data) [blocks]

	thread #2
		sleep to be sure #1 is blocked
		open secret file
		read(secret, secret_buffer, data);

Type ^Q

By the time you raise the security level due to the action of thread #2
I'm already blocked in tty_do_write() and have passed any vfs checks.

> The revoke(2) isn't quite right semantically, because it would revoke
> all users' access, right?  Rather, we want one process' rights to all
> files revoked, but other read/writers should still have access.

The core is the same, the question of specifically what you revoke is
different.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-08-24 13:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-08-23 19:05 [PATCH 3/7] SLIM main patch Kylene Jo Hall
2006-08-23 19:27 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2006-08-23 20:35   ` Kylene Jo Hall
2006-08-23 20:41     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2006-08-23 22:20       ` Kylene Jo Hall
2006-08-24  8:31         ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-08-24 11:26     ` Alan Cox
2006-08-24 13:32       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-08-24 13:37         ` Benjamin LaHaise
2006-08-24 13:58           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-08-24 14:00             ` Benjamin LaHaise
2006-08-24 14:16               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-08-24 14:15         ` Alan Cox [this message]
2006-08-24 15:23           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-08-24 17:05             ` Alan Cox
2006-08-24 17:34               ` David Safford
2006-08-24 19:16                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-08-24 20:21                   ` David Safford
2006-08-24 20:41           ` Mimi Zohar
2006-08-24 22:13             ` Alan Cox
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-09-12 17:57 Kylene Jo Hall
2006-09-14 23:52 ` Andrew Morton
2006-09-15 16:57   ` Kylene Jo Hall
2006-09-26 18:44 ` Stephen Smalley
2006-10-19 20:48   ` Kylene Jo Hall
2006-10-20 15:32     ` Stephen Smalley
2006-10-20 17:58     ` Stephen Smalley

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