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From: Michel Dagenais <michel.dagenais@polymtl.ca>
To: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Karim Yaghmour <karim@opersys.com>,
	Nicholas Miell <nmiell@comcast.net>,
	Paul Mundt <lethal@linux-sh.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Jes Sorensen <jes@sgi.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	Roman Zippel <zippel@linux-m68k.org>,
	Tom Zanussi <zanussi@us.ibm.com>,
	Richard J Moore <richardj_moore@uk.ibm.com>,
	"Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@redhat.com>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	William Cohen <wcohen@redhat.com>,
	"Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@mbligh.org>
Subject: Re: tracepoint maintainance models
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:12:16 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1158610337.11161.86.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060918035216.GF9049@thunk.org>


> ... I don't understand why LTT and SystemTap can't just
> merge and play nice together....

For simple userland tasks, GDB might be all one needs. In other cases,
strace is less intrusive. Yet, in many occasions, the problem is not
reproducible under strace because the timing is changed and a better
mechanism is needed.

Similarly, most sysadmins will be delighted to dynamically activate a
few tracepoints on their live system and catch their problem. In
difficult cases (e.g. distributed application in a large cluster,
embedded systems, nasty problem in the interrupt routine of a device
driver) you need the tool with the lowest disturbance and you will be
ready to recompile and reboot if necessary. If kprobes can achieve this
lowest disturbance (i.e. superior to a static tracepoint in almost all
cases) life will be simpler for all of us.

It does not appear to be the case, however. There are a number of
contexts where kprobes cannot be set (e.g. NMI, m68k :-) and, despite
not having the same reentrancy, its performance is lower than LTTng.
Note that the kprobe performance has improved over the weekend and we
should all be glad of that!

I am looking forward to having the best possible tools, indeed converge
to "merge" and play nice, taking the best parts from each system
(dynamic tracepoints with SystemTap, static tracepoints if needed for
more critical areas, the efficient reentrant per cpu LTTng/Relay
recording infrastructure...).


  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-09-18 20:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-09-17  9:40 The emperor is naked: why *comprehensive* static markup belongs in mainline Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-17 11:21 ` Paul Mundt
2006-09-17 14:36   ` tracepoint maintainance models Ingo Molnar
2006-09-17 15:02     ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-17 15:09       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-17 17:18         ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-17 23:27           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-17 23:41           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18  0:17             ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-18  9:01               ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-17 20:37         ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-17 22:34           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-17 15:36     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-18  0:07       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18  1:12         ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18  1:13           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18  2:32             ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18  2:57               ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18  3:54                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18  4:09                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18  4:43                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18  2:43             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-18  3:21               ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18  4:26                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-18  5:08                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18 12:25             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-09-18 15:02               ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18 15:45                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-18 15:48                 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-18 15:22                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18 16:19                     ` Alan Cox
2006-09-18 16:15                       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18 17:02                         ` Alan Cox
2006-09-18 16:15                       ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-09-18 17:02                         ` Alan Cox
2006-09-18 17:27                           ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-09-18 18:04                             ` Alan Cox
2006-09-18 17:54                               ` Martin Bligh
2006-09-18 18:05                               ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-09-18 19:10                           ` Vara Prasad
2006-09-18 19:49                             ` Alan Cox
2006-09-18 19:39                               ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-09-18 20:28                               ` Vara Prasad
2006-10-06  5:33                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2006-10-06 13:01                                   ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-10-06 14:23                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2006-10-06 23:17                                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-09-18 15:47                   ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-09-18 15:42                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18 16:30                 ` MARKER mechanism, try 2 Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-18 16:28                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18 17:47                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-18 19:39                       ` Alan Cox
2006-09-17 20:19     ` tracepoint maintainance models Nicholas Miell
2006-09-17 23:06       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18  0:05         ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-18  1:52           ` Theodore Tso
2006-09-19 12:58           ` tracing - consensus building insteat of dogfights Christoph Hellwig
2006-09-19 13:25             ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-19 13:45             ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-19 14:25               ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18  0:10         ` tracepoint maintainance models Nicholas Miell
2006-09-18  0:43           ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-18  0:56         ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18  0:56           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18  2:09             ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18  3:30               ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18  3:52                 ` Theodore Tso
2006-09-18  4:11                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18  4:24                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18  4:32                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18  5:03                       ` LTTng and SystemTAP (Everyone who is scared to read this huge thread, skip to here) Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-18 15:11                         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-23 15:50                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-18  5:37                       ` tracepoint maintainance models Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18 20:12                   ` Michel Dagenais [this message]
2006-09-18  4:14                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18  4:09                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18  4:57                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18  1:03   ` The emperor is naked: why *comprehensive* static markup belongs in mainline Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18 15:53 ` Jose R. Santos
2006-09-18 17:28   ` Karim Yaghmour

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