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From: Chandra Seetharaman <sekharan@us.ibm.com>
To: Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com>
Cc: Paul Menage <menage@google.com>,
	npiggin@suse.de, ckrm-tech@lists.sourceforge.net,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rohitseth@google.com,
	devel@openvz.org, clameter@sgi.com
Subject: Re: [ckrm-tech] [patch00/05]: Containers(V2)- Introduction
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:45:59 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1158799559.6536.120.camel@linuxchandra> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060920134903.fbd9fea8.pj@sgi.com>

On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 13:49 -0700, Paul Jackson wrote:

I concur with most of the comments (except as noted below)
> Paul M wrote:
> > Even if the resource control portions aren't totally compatible,
> > having two separate process container abstractions in the kernel is
> > sub-optimal
> 
> At heart, CKRM (ne Resource Groups) are (well, have been until now)
> different than cpusets.
> 
> Cpusets answers the question 'where', and Resource Groups 'how much'.
> 
> The fundamental motivation behind cpusets was to be able to enforce
> job isolation.  A job can get dedicated use of specified resources,
> -even- if it means those resources are severely underutilized by that
> job.
> 
> The fundamental motivation (Chandra or others correct me if I'm wrong)
> of Resource Groups is to improve capacity utilization while limiting
> starvation due to greedy, competing users for the same resources.
> 
> Cpusets seeks maximum isolation.  Resource Groups seeks maximum
> capacity utilization while preserving guaranteed levels of quality
> of service.
> 
> Cpusets are that wall between you and the neighbor you might not
> trust.  Resource groups are a large family of modest wealth sitting
> down to share a meal.

I am thinking hard about how to bring guarantee into this picture :).
 
> 
> It seems that cpusets can mimic memory resource groups.  I don't

I am little confused w.r.t how cpuset can mimic memory resource groups.
How can cpuset provide support for over commit.

> see how cpusets could mimic other resource groups.  But maybe I'm
> just being a dimm bulb.
> 
-- 

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    Chandra Seetharaman               | Be careful what you choose....
              - sekharan@us.ibm.com   |      .......you may get it.
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-09-21  0:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-09-20  2:16 [patch00/05]: Containers(V2)- Introduction Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 13:06 ` [Devel] " Cedric Le Goater
2006-09-20 16:45   ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 16:25 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 16:44   ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-20 16:48     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 17:07       ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-20 17:12         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 22:27           ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 22:59             ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 17:26   ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 17:37     ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Menage
2006-09-20 17:38     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 17:42       ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Menage
2006-09-20 18:07       ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 19:51         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 20:06         ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 22:58         ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 23:02           ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 23:33             ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 23:36               ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 23:39                 ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 23:51                   ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-21  0:05                     ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-21  0:09                       ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Menage
2006-09-20 23:26           ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 23:31             ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-21  0:51               ` [Lhms-devel] " KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2006-09-21  1:33                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2006-09-21  1:36                   ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Menage
2006-09-20 22:51     ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 23:01       ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 23:22       ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 23:45         ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 17:34   ` Alan Cox
2006-09-20 17:15     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 17:48       ` Alan Cox
2006-09-20 17:35         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 23:29         ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 23:18       ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 17:30     ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Menage
2006-09-20 23:37       ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 23:53         ` Paul Menage
2006-09-21  0:07           ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-21  0:10             ` Paul Menage
2006-09-21  0:17               ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 18:34   ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-20 18:43     ` Paul Menage
2006-09-20 18:54       ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-20 19:25         ` Paul Menage
2006-09-20 19:35           ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-20 19:57             ` Paul Menage
2006-09-21  0:30               ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-21  0:33                 ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-21  0:50                   ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-21  0:34                 ` Paul Menage
2006-09-20 20:49           ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 20:51             ` Paul Menage
2006-09-20 21:04               ` Paul Jackson
     [not found]                 ` <6599ad830609201605s2fc1ccbdse31e3e60a50d56bc@mail.google.com>
2006-09-20 23:54                   ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 23:57                     ` Paul Menage
2006-09-21  0:09                       ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-21  1:25                   ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-21  0:45             ` Chandra Seetharaman [this message]
2006-09-21  0:51               ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 19:55         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 20:27         ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-21 17:02           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-09-21 19:29             ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 20:11       ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 20:17         ` Paul Menage
2006-09-20 19:52     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-21  0:31       ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-21  0:36         ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-21  0:42           ` Paul Menage
2006-09-21  1:45             ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-21  1:52               ` Paul Menage
2006-09-21 20:06                 ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-21 20:10                   ` Paul Menage
2006-09-21 21:44                     ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-21 22:09                       ` Paul Menage
2006-09-22  0:06                         ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-22  0:13                           ` Paul Menage
2006-09-22  0:55                             ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-22  0:24                           ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-22  0:57                             ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-22  1:11                               ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-21 21:59                     ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-21 22:07                       ` Paul Menage
2006-09-21 22:48                         ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 19:09   ` Chandra Seetharaman
     [not found] ` <4510D3F4.1040009@yahoo.com.au>
2006-09-20 16:26   ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 16:56     ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-20 17:08       ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 17:19         ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-20 17:30           ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 18:03             ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-20 17:40       ` Alan Cox
2006-09-20 16:27   ` Rohit Seth
     [not found]   ` <1158751720.8970.67.camel@twins>
     [not found]     ` <4511626B.9000106@yahoo.com.au>
     [not found]       ` <1158767787.3278.103.camel@taijtu>
2006-09-20 17:00         ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-20 17:23           ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Menage
2006-09-20 17:36           ` Alan Cox
2006-09-20 17:30             ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-20 17:50           ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 17:52             ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 18:06               ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-09-20 18:14                 ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 18:27                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-09-20 18:33                     ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Menage
2006-09-20 18:38                     ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 19:48                 ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 19:48                 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 19:51                   ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Menage
2006-09-20 18:37             ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-09-20 18:57               ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-27 19:50 ` [ckrm-tech] " Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-27 21:28   ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-27 22:24     ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-28  8:01       ` Balbir Singh
2006-09-28 18:31         ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-28 21:53           ` Balbir Singh
2006-09-29  0:22             ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-28 18:12       ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-28 20:23         ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-28 21:38           ` Rohit Seth

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