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From: Chandra Seetharaman <sekharan@us.ibm.com>
To: Paul Menage <menage@google.com>
Cc: Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com>,
	npiggin@suse.de, ckrm-tech@lists.sourceforge.net,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rohitseth@google.com,
	devel@openvz.org, clameter@sgi.com
Subject: Re: [ckrm-tech] [patch00/05]: Containers(V2)- Introduction
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:06:26 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1158869186.6536.205.camel@linuxchandra> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6599ad830609201852k12cee6eey9086247c9bdec8b@mail.google.com>

On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 18:52 -0700, Paul Menage wrote:
> On 9/20/06, Chandra Seetharaman <sekharan@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> >
> > Interesting. So you could set up the fake node with "guarantee" and let
> > it grow till "limit" ?
> 
> Sure - that works great. (Theoretically you could do this all in
> userspace - start by assigning  "guarantee" nodes to a
> container/cpuset and when it gets close to its memory limit assign
> more nodes to it. But in practice userspace can't keep up with rapid
> memory allocators.
> 
I agree, especially when one of your main object is resource
utilization. Think about the magnitude of this when you have to deal
with 100s of containers.

> >
> > BTW, can you do these with fake nodes:
> >  - dynamic creation
> >  - dynamic removal
> >  - dynamic change of size
> 
> The current fake numa support requires you to choose your node layout
> at boot time - I've been working with 64 fake nodes of 128M each,
> which gives a reasonable granularity for dividing a machine between
> multiple different sized jobs.

It still will not satisfy what OpenVZ/Container folks are looking for:
100s of containers.

> 
> >
> > Also, How could we account when a process moves from one node to
> > another ?
> 
> If you want to do that (the systems I'm working on don't really) you
> could probably do it with the migrate_pages() syscall. It might not be
> that efficient though.

Totally agree, that will be very costly.
> 
> Paul
-- 

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    Chandra Seetharaman               | Be careful what you choose....
              - sekharan@us.ibm.com   |      .......you may get it.
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  reply	other threads:[~2006-09-21 20:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-09-20  2:16 [patch00/05]: Containers(V2)- Introduction Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 13:06 ` [Devel] " Cedric Le Goater
2006-09-20 16:45   ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 16:25 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 16:44   ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-20 16:48     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 17:07       ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-20 17:12         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 22:27           ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 22:59             ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 17:26   ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 17:37     ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Menage
2006-09-20 17:38     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 17:42       ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Menage
2006-09-20 18:07       ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 19:51         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 20:06         ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 22:58         ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 23:02           ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 23:33             ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 23:36               ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 23:39                 ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 23:51                   ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-21  0:05                     ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-21  0:09                       ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Menage
2006-09-20 23:26           ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 23:31             ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-21  0:51               ` [Lhms-devel] " KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2006-09-21  1:33                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2006-09-21  1:36                   ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Menage
2006-09-20 22:51     ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 23:01       ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 23:22       ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 23:45         ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 17:34   ` Alan Cox
2006-09-20 17:15     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 17:48       ` Alan Cox
2006-09-20 17:35         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 23:29         ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 23:18       ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 17:30     ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Menage
2006-09-20 23:37       ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 23:53         ` Paul Menage
2006-09-21  0:07           ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-21  0:10             ` Paul Menage
2006-09-21  0:17               ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 18:34   ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-20 18:43     ` Paul Menage
2006-09-20 18:54       ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-20 19:25         ` Paul Menage
2006-09-20 19:35           ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-20 19:57             ` Paul Menage
2006-09-21  0:30               ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-21  0:33                 ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-21  0:50                   ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-21  0:34                 ` Paul Menage
2006-09-20 20:49           ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 20:51             ` Paul Menage
2006-09-20 21:04               ` Paul Jackson
     [not found]                 ` <6599ad830609201605s2fc1ccbdse31e3e60a50d56bc@mail.google.com>
2006-09-20 23:54                   ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 23:57                     ` Paul Menage
2006-09-21  0:09                       ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-21  1:25                   ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-21  0:45             ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-21  0:51               ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 19:55         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 20:27         ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-21 17:02           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-09-21 19:29             ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 20:11       ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 20:17         ` Paul Menage
2006-09-20 19:52     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-21  0:31       ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-21  0:36         ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-21  0:42           ` Paul Menage
2006-09-21  1:45             ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-21  1:52               ` Paul Menage
2006-09-21 20:06                 ` Chandra Seetharaman [this message]
2006-09-21 20:10                   ` Paul Menage
2006-09-21 21:44                     ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-21 22:09                       ` Paul Menage
2006-09-22  0:06                         ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-22  0:13                           ` Paul Menage
2006-09-22  0:55                             ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-22  0:24                           ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-22  0:57                             ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-22  1:11                               ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-21 21:59                     ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-21 22:07                       ` Paul Menage
2006-09-21 22:48                         ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 19:09   ` Chandra Seetharaman
     [not found] ` <4510D3F4.1040009@yahoo.com.au>
2006-09-20 16:26   ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 16:56     ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-20 17:08       ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 17:19         ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-20 17:30           ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 18:03             ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-20 17:40       ` Alan Cox
2006-09-20 16:27   ` Rohit Seth
     [not found]   ` <1158751720.8970.67.camel@twins>
     [not found]     ` <4511626B.9000106@yahoo.com.au>
     [not found]       ` <1158767787.3278.103.camel@taijtu>
2006-09-20 17:00         ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-20 17:23           ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Menage
2006-09-20 17:36           ` Alan Cox
2006-09-20 17:30             ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-20 17:50           ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 17:52             ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 18:06               ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-09-20 18:14                 ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 18:27                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-09-20 18:33                     ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Menage
2006-09-20 18:38                     ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 19:48                 ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 19:48                 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 19:51                   ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Menage
2006-09-20 18:37             ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-09-20 18:57               ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-27 19:50 ` [ckrm-tech] " Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-27 21:28   ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-27 22:24     ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-28  8:01       ` Balbir Singh
2006-09-28 18:31         ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-28 21:53           ` Balbir Singh
2006-09-29  0:22             ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-28 18:12       ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-28 20:23         ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-28 21:38           ` Rohit Seth

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