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From: john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>
To: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
Cc: tglx@linutronix.de, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Jim Gettys <jg@laptop.org>, David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [patch 00/21] high resolution timers / dynamic ticks - V2
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:23:25 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1159817005.4312.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200610021908.k92J8J8c012853@turing-police.cc.vt.edu>

On Mon, 2006-10-02 at 15:08 -0400, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:38:36 PDT, john stultz said:
> 
> > Hmmm. So w/ -mm2 we're seeing the TSC get detected as running too slowly
> > (and its replaced w/ the ACPI PM), but for some reason that doesn't
> > happen w/ the dynticks patch.
> 
> It's been switching to ACPI PM for somewhere near forever, I never bothered
> to check into that because the PM timer provides a reasonably stable clock
> source (it drifts at about 24 ppm and NTP is happy with it, and I haven't
> gotten annoyed at the fact the PM timer is slow to read...)
> 
> I wonder if the TSC has been broken for forever on this box, and I'm just
> seeing it because dynticks doesn't fall over to PM timer..

This is what I suspect is the issue. Probably due to the new jiffies
accounting being now time based, and one of the TSC unstable checks (the
one you're tripping) being jiffies based. A tad bit circular :). I'm
working w/ tglx to see what we can do here.

> > Now, how is cpuspeed changing the cpufreq? Is it using the /sys
> > interface? I've got hooks in so when the cpufreq changes we should mark
> > it unstable and fall back to ACPI PM, but maybe I missed whatever hook
> > cpuspeed is using.
> 
> Looking at the source, it appears to do this:
> 
> const char SYSFS_CURRENT_SPEED_FILE[] =
>      "/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu%u/cpufreq/scaling_setspeed";
> 
> // set the current CPU speed
> void set_speed(unsigned value)
> {
> #ifdef DEBUG
>     fprintf(stderr, "[cpu%u] Setting speed to: %uKHz\n", cpu, value);
> #endif
>     write_line(CURRENT_SPEED_FILE, "%u\n", value);
>     // give CPU / chipset voltage time to settle down
>     usleep(10000);
> }

I'll also take a peek there and see if I cannot add an extra hook, so we
don't have to rely on the jiffies stability check.

thanks
-john


  reply	other threads:[~2006-10-02 19:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-10-01 22:59 [patch 00/21] high resolution timers / dynamic ticks - V2 Thomas Gleixner
2006-10-01 22:59 ` [patch 01/21] GTOD: exponential update_wall_time Thomas Gleixner
2006-10-01 23:00 ` [patch 02/21] GTOD: persistent clock support, core Thomas Gleixner
2006-10-01 23:00 ` [patch 03/21] GTOD: persistent clock support, i386 Thomas Gleixner
2006-10-01 23:00 ` [patch 04/21] time: uninline jiffies.h Thomas Gleixner
2006-10-01 23:00 ` [patch 05/21] time: fix msecs_to_jiffies() bug Thomas Gleixner
2006-10-01 23:00 ` [patch 06/21] time: fix timeout overflow Thomas Gleixner
2006-10-01 23:00 ` [patch 07/21] cleanup: uninline irq_enter() and move it into a function Thomas Gleixner
2006-10-01 23:00 ` [patch 08/21] dynticks: extend next_timer_interrupt() to use a reference jiffie Thomas Gleixner
2006-10-01 23:00 ` [patch 09/21] hrtimers: namespace and enum cleanup Thomas Gleixner
2006-10-01 23:00 ` [patch 10/21] hrtimers: clean up locking Thomas Gleixner
2006-10-01 23:00 ` [patch 11/21] hrtimers: state tracking Thomas Gleixner
2006-10-01 23:00 ` [patch 12/21] hrtimers: clean up callback tracking Thomas Gleixner
2006-10-01 23:01 ` [patch 13/21] hrtimers: Move and add documentation Thomas Gleixner
2006-10-01 23:01 ` [patch 14/21] clockevents: core Thomas Gleixner
2006-10-01 23:01 ` [patch 15/21] clockevents: drivers for i386 Thomas Gleixner
2006-10-01 23:01 ` [patch 16/21] high-res timers: core Thomas Gleixner
2006-10-02 11:50   ` Paulo Marques
2006-10-01 23:01 ` [patch 17/21] dynticks: core Thomas Gleixner
2006-10-02  6:41   ` [patch] dynticks: core, NMI watchdog fix Ingo Molnar
2006-10-02  8:54     ` [patch] dynticks: core, NMI watchdog fix, #2 Ingo Molnar
2006-10-01 23:01 ` [patch 18/21] dyntick: add nohz stats to /proc/stat Thomas Gleixner
2006-10-01 23:01 ` [patch 19/21] dynticks: i386 arch code Thomas Gleixner
2006-10-01 23:01 ` [patch 20/21] high-res timers, dynticks: enable i386 support Thomas Gleixner
2006-10-01 23:01 ` [patch 21/21] debugging feature: timer stats Thomas Gleixner
2006-10-02  5:11 ` [patch 00/21] high resolution timers / dynamic ticks - V2 Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-10-02 13:02 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-10-02 13:43   ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-10-02 18:25     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-10-02 18:38       ` john stultz
2006-10-02 19:08         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-10-02 19:23           ` john stultz [this message]
2006-10-02 18:43       ` [patch] dynticks core: Fix idle time accounting Thomas Gleixner
2006-10-02 20:17         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-10-02 21:22           ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-10-02 21:35             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-10-03 20:02               ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-10-03 21:05                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-10-04  2:33                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-10-04  7:56                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-10-04  9:58                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-10-03  3:23 ` [patch 00/21] high resolution timers / dynamic ticks - V2 Andrew Morton
2006-10-03  4:00 ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-03  8:38   ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-10-03  8:47   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-10-03 10:35     ` [patch] clockevents: drivers for i386, fix #2 Ingo Molnar
2006-10-04  3:36       ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-04  6:46         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-10-04  7:32           ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-04  7:41             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-10-04  8:01               ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-04  7:55             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-10-04  8:15               ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-04 10:53                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-10-04 11:19                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-10-04 16:02                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-04 16:20                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-10-04 16:35                       ` Ingo Molnar

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