From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: jengelh@linux01.gwdg.de, wmb@firmworks.com, devel@laptop.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, jg@laptop.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Open Firmware device tree virtual filesystem
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 14:43:26 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1167709406.6165.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20061231.124531.125895122.davem@davemloft.net>
> I'm incredibly surprised how much resistence there is from the
> i386 OFW folks to do this right. It would be like 80 lines of
> code to suck the device tree into kernel memory, or if they don't
> want to do that they can use inline function wrappers to provide
> the clean C-language interface to all of this and the cost to
> i386-OFW would be zero with the benefit that other platforms could
> use the code potentially.
>
> Doing the same thing 3 different ways, knowingly, is just very bad
> engineering. That is how you end up with a big fat pile of
> unmaintainable poo instead of a clean maintainable source tree. If we
> fix a bug in one of these things, the other 2 are so different that if
> the bug is in the others we'll never know and it's not easy to check
> so people won't do it.
>
> So please do this crap right.
I strongly agree. Nowadays, both powerpc and sparc use an in-memory copy
of the tree (wether you use the flattened format during the trampoline
from OF runtime to the kernel or not is a different matter, we created
that for the sake of kexec and embedded devices with no real OF, but the
end result is the same, a kernel based tree structure).
There is already powerpc's /proc/device-tree and sparc's openpromfs, I'm
all about converging that to a single implementation (a filesystem is
fine) that uses the in-memory tree.
Ben.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-01-02 3:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-12-31 1:38 [PATCH] Open Firmware device tree virtual filesystem Mitch Bradley
2006-12-31 5:19 ` David Miller
2006-12-31 9:36 ` Mitch Bradley
2006-12-31 9:52 ` David Miller
2006-12-31 10:11 ` David Kahn
2006-12-31 10:49 ` David Miller
2006-12-31 11:47 ` Rene Rebe
2006-12-31 11:53 ` David Kahn
2007-01-01 3:48 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-02 3:56 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-02 18:43 ` Richard Smith
2006-12-31 15:41 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-31 20:46 ` David Miller
2007-01-01 3:37 ` David Kahn
2007-01-01 8:54 ` David Miller
2007-01-02 4:02 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-02 12:28 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-01 3:33 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-01 8:57 ` David Miller
2007-01-01 17:48 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-01 23:08 ` David Miller
2007-01-01 23:52 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-02 3:31 ` David Miller
2007-01-02 11:26 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-02 1:40 ` David Kahn
2007-01-02 3:36 ` David Miller
2007-01-01 18:10 ` Mitch Bradley
2007-01-01 19:21 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-02 4:05 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-02 4:30 ` David Miller
2007-01-02 4:57 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-02 5:01 ` David Miller
2007-01-02 5:09 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-02 5:44 ` David Miller
2007-01-02 12:36 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-02 11:03 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-02 3:53 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-02 12:22 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-02 20:12 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-02 21:28 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-02 21:32 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-02 21:40 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-02 22:10 ` David Miller
2007-01-02 22:05 ` David Miller
2007-01-03 0:48 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-03 4:34 ` David Miller
2007-01-03 15:23 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-04 2:15 ` David Miller
2007-01-02 3:45 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-02 3:49 ` David Miller
2007-01-02 11:45 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-02 20:07 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-12-31 13:24 ` Pekka Enberg
2006-12-31 18:55 ` Mitch Bradley
2006-12-31 14:12 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-12-31 20:45 ` David Miller
2006-12-31 21:30 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-02 3:43 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2007-01-02 11:37 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-02 13:22 ` Stefan Reinauer
2007-01-02 20:08 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-02 20:11 ` Mitch Bradley
2007-01-02 20:48 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-02 21:37 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-02 21:47 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-03 0:35 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-03 0:44 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-03 1:14 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-03 4:35 ` David Miller
2007-01-02 22:07 ` David Miller
2007-01-03 0:52 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-03 1:13 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-03 4:38 ` David Miller
2007-01-03 5:05 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-03 15:59 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-03 15:31 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-03 4:34 ` David Miller
2007-01-02 21:15 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-02 21:59 ` David Miller
2007-01-01 3:40 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-01 4:21 ` Segher Boessenkool
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-01-11 17:39 ron minnich
2007-01-11 17:53 ` Mitch Bradley
2007-01-11 17:55 ` ron minnich
2007-01-11 18:36 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-11 18:20 ` Stefan Reinauer
2007-01-11 18:47 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-11 19:12 ` ron minnich
2007-01-11 19:11 ` ron minnich
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