public inbox for linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Eric St-Laurent <ericstl34@sympatico.ca>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: userspace pagecache management tool
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 19:14:59 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1172967299.8493.34.camel@perkele> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070303122935.f1ab0067.akpm@linux-foundation.org>

On Sat, 2007-03-03 at 12:29 -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:


> There is much more which could be done to make this code smarter, but I
> think the lesson here is that we can produce a far, far better result doing
> this work in userspace than we could ever hope to do with an in-kernel
> implementation.  There are some enhancement suggestions in the
> documentation file.

While I think that more user space applications should use fadvise() to
avoid polluting the page cache with unneeded data, I still think the
kernel should be more fair in regard to page cache management.

Personally, I've experienced some sluggish performance after copying
large files around. Even more when using NFS. It's difficult to file a
bug report for "interactive feel", I don't know how to measure it. I
just feel it's a weak aspect of the OS.

Surely it's possible to make the kernel a little bit better to protect
the page cache from abuse, from simple or badly designed applications.

Why fairness is provided by the process scheduler with good results, yet
it somewhat easy for a process to cause slowdowns from page cache usage.

My personal opinion is that the VM seem tuned for database types
workloads. Of course, making the page cache more fair to prevent one
process to use most of it will most likely slowdown database type
applications.

Maybe the situation should be reversed, much like the process scheduler.
Fairness by default, and the possibility to request for more system
resources by asking for them with necessary privileges. Much like
SCHED_FIFO policy.


- Eric




  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-03-04  1:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-03-03 20:29 userspace pagecache management tool Andrew Morton
2007-03-03 20:40 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-03 21:12   ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-03 21:30     ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-03 21:41       ` bert hubert
2007-03-03 22:14         ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-03 22:19           ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-03 22:26             ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-03 22:28               ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-03 22:38                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-03 22:56               ` Erik Andersen
2007-03-03 23:01               ` bert hubert
2007-03-03 23:45                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-06 12:10                   ` Pádraig Brady
2007-03-06 21:40                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-06 21:44                       ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-07 11:39                       ` Pádraig Brady
2007-03-07 18:50                         ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-08  7:59                   ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2007-03-08  8:12                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-03 22:07       ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-03 22:25         ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-03 22:37           ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-03 22:52           ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-04  0:01             ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-04  1:02               ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-04  1:23                 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-04  1:49                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-04  1:56                     ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-04 12:07                       ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-04 14:35                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-03-04 16:01                         ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-03 22:58 ` Ray Lee
2007-03-03 23:34   ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-04  1:02     ` Ray Lee
2007-03-04  1:21       ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-04  0:14 ` Eric St-Laurent [this message]
2007-03-04  1:10   ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-04  1:39   ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-04  1:16 ` Lee Revell
2007-03-04  1:39   ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-04  2:35     ` Lee Revell
2007-03-04  4:35       ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-05 11:02 ` Pádraig Brady
2007-03-05 11:12   ` Andrew Morton

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=1172967299.8493.34.camel@perkele \
    --to=ericstl34@sympatico.ca \
    --cc=akpm@linux-foundation.org \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox