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From: john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>
To: Dave Hansen <hansendc@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Satyam Sharma <satyam.sharma@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Subject: Re: [patch] i386, numaq: enable TSCs again
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 11:23:26 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1180117406.6345.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1180116978.14844.69.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2007-05-25 at 11:16 -0700, Dave Hansen wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-05-25 at 10:41 +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > * William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com> wrote:
> > > > yes, that's what i meant under 'slightly async'. Some AMD CPUs are 
> > > > like that too and sched_clock() now handles that fine. So we should 
> > > > try my patch.
> > > 
> > > Sorry, then. I took slight to mean something else. In any event I was 
> > > only quantifying things. I've no opinion whatsoever on the impact of 
> > > the code on NUMA-Q, only some recall of its operating characteristics.
> > 
> > there's no need to apologize at all! Thanks for reminding us about the 
> > time-scale and nature of the TSC drift on NUMAQ. I was worried that 
> > maybe the TSC was totally unusable for some reason - but that's 
> > fortunately not the case. So we now have one quirk less, hopefully :-)
> 
> Last I remember, it was totally useless for timekeeping, but was useful
> for cpu-local time measurements.
> 
> John, it's still useless for time, right?  Does sched_clock() really fix
> it?

Yea, on multi-node NUMAQ the TSC shouldn't be used for timekeeping.

However it should be fine for sched_clock(), or other cpu-local
measurements as the TSCs are constant (no cpufreq, no deep sleep
states).

-john


  reply	other threads:[~2007-05-25 18:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-25  7:10 [patch] sched_clock(): cleanups Ingo Molnar
2007-05-25  7:22 ` Satyam Sharma
2007-05-25  7:25   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-25  7:26     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-25  7:35       ` Satyam Sharma
2007-05-25  7:39         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-05-25  7:58           ` Andi Kleen
2007-05-25  8:02             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-25  8:16             ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-05-25  8:21               ` Andi Kleen
2007-05-25  7:38       ` Andi Kleen
2007-05-25  7:31   ` Andi Kleen
2007-05-25  7:39     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-25  7:43       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-25  7:49         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-25  7:54           ` [patch] x86_64: fix sched_clock() Ingo Molnar
2007-05-25  8:02             ` Andi Kleen
2007-05-25  8:04               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-25  8:20                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-05-25  8:34                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-25  8:41                     ` Andi Kleen
2007-05-25  8:44                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-25  8:45                         ` Andi Kleen
2007-05-25  8:55                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-25  8:55                           ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-25  9:03                             ` Andi Kleen
2007-05-25  9:19                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-25  9:46                                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-05-25 10:12                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-25 11:20                                     ` Andi Kleen
2007-05-25 11:26                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-25 11:31                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-25 11:46                                         ` [patch] sched_clock: fix preempt count imbalance Ingo Molnar
2007-05-25 11:50                                         ` [patch] sched_clock(): cleanups, #2 Ingo Molnar
2007-05-25 11:55                                           ` Andi Kleen
2007-05-25 12:02                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-25 12:15                                               ` Andi Kleen
2007-05-25 16:17                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-25 16:26                                                   ` Daniel Walker
2007-05-25 16:33                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2007-05-25 16:49                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-25 18:08                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-05-25 19:14                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-25 19:45                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-25 10:27                                   ` [patch] x86_64: fix sched_clock() Ingo Molnar
2007-05-25 11:05                               ` Andi Kleen
2007-05-28  3:12                                 ` Rusty Russell
2007-05-25  8:08             ` [patch] i386, numaq: enable TSCs again Ingo Molnar
2007-05-25  8:19               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-25  8:22                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-05-25  8:25                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-25  8:31                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-25  8:38                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-25  8:41                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-25 18:16                       ` Dave Hansen
2007-05-25 18:23                         ` john stultz [this message]
2007-05-25  8:15             ` [patch] x86_64: fix sched_clock() Peter Zijlstra
2007-05-25  8:16               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-25  8:22           ` [patch] sched_clock(): cleanups Peter Zijlstra

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