From: Dave Hansen <hansendc@us.ibm.com>
To: holzheu@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, randy.dunlap@oracle.com,
akpm@osdl.org, gregkh@suse.de, mtk-manpages@gmx.net,
schwidefsky@de.ibm.com, heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 09:37:29 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1181752649.15815.68.camel@spirit> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1181747217.29512.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>
On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 17:06 +0200, holzheu wrote:
> The operation of a Linux system sometimes requires to decode the
> meaning of a specific kernel message, e.g. an error message of a
> driver. Especially on our mainframe zSeries platform system
> administrators want to have descriptions for Linux kernel messages.
> They are used to that, because all other operating systems on that
> platform like z/OS, z/VM or z/VSE have message catalogs with detailed
> descriptions about the semantics of the messages.
I'm not sure we want to make Linux more like z/* in this regard. :)
The problem with your proposal is that every time a new message in the
kernel is created or modified, you need somebody to go update that
documentation. It's going to get out-of-sync very fast if this isn't
done, and you either need to convince and teach each and every kernel
contributor to follow your lead, or have a team of highly trained code
monkeys to watch git-commits and resubmit documentation for every diff
that touches a printk.
I think it's a great idea to go and update some of these obtuse kernel
messages with more understandable wording. It might even be nice to
update the Documentation/ about what kinds of messages are good or bad
to have. But, I just don't think this is viable to convince everybody
to do this. Do you have a list of printks that are causing your
customers trouble?
Does every printk need one of these? What do we do with the existing
printks? Who will convert them over? How do we enforce the rules if
new printks must have documentation written for them? Who writes the
documentation if the printk author does not?
If we have a catalog of kernel messages, it obviously needs to be
versioned, but does that mean that we need to keep it in the kernel
tree?
-- Dave
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-06-13 16:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 133+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-06-13 15:06 [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages holzheu
2007-06-13 16:37 ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2007-06-13 17:11 ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-06-13 17:42 ` holzheu
2007-06-13 16:50 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-06-13 18:09 ` Rob Landley
2007-06-13 18:11 ` holzheu
2007-06-14 8:47 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-06-15 8:49 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-06-13 17:16 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-06-13 17:46 ` holzheu
2007-06-13 17:51 ` Greg KH
2007-06-13 18:18 ` holzheu
2007-06-13 18:32 ` Greg KH
2007-06-13 18:49 ` Dave Hansen
2007-06-13 18:49 ` Kok, Auke
2007-06-14 8:17 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2007-06-13 19:04 ` Joe Perches
2007-06-14 2:54 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-06-14 7:05 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-15 8:51 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-06-13 18:15 ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-14 8:31 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2007-06-14 9:41 ` Jan Kara
2007-06-14 10:38 ` holzheu
2007-06-14 11:47 ` holzheu
2007-06-14 12:26 ` Jan Kara
2007-06-14 15:22 ` holzheu
2007-06-15 18:42 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2007-06-15 18:51 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-06-15 19:27 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2007-06-15 20:01 ` Greg KH
2007-06-18 12:55 ` holzheu
2007-06-18 13:12 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-06-18 13:33 ` Jan Kara
2007-06-18 13:53 ` holzheu
2007-06-19 1:36 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-06-19 8:51 ` holzheu
2007-06-19 19:24 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-06-19 11:31 ` holzheu
2007-06-19 5:41 ` [Lf_kernel_messages] " Kunai, Takashi
2007-06-18 13:11 ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-06-18 15:35 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-06-19 0:13 ` Tim Bird
2007-06-19 3:52 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2007-06-15 12:40 ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-18 13:42 ` holzheu
2007-06-18 14:02 ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-25 13:48 ` Documentation of kernel messages (Summary) Michael Holzheu
2007-06-25 15:44 ` Rob Landley
2007-06-25 18:05 ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-06-27 15:11 ` Michael Holzheu
2007-07-09 5:15 ` Kunai, Takashi
2007-07-09 5:36 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-07-09 16:48 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-09 17:18 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2007-07-10 16:12 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-11 12:15 ` Michael Holzheu
2007-07-11 14:26 ` Li Yang
2007-07-11 18:13 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-11 21:32 ` Theodore Tso
2007-07-13 10:53 ` Alan Cox
2007-07-13 12:49 ` Li Yang
2007-07-13 13:43 ` Theodore Tso
2007-07-13 13:25 ` Stefan Richter
2007-07-13 21:10 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-07-13 18:05 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-14 3:54 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-07-15 1:56 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-15 16:28 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-07-16 19:53 ` Rob Landley
2007-08-03 18:11 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-08-03 19:32 ` Rob Landley
2007-08-04 3:50 ` Greg KH
2007-08-04 19:02 ` Rob Landley
2007-08-04 3:52 ` Greg KH
2007-08-04 18:54 ` Rob Landley
2007-08-04 20:04 ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-06 15:50 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-11 21:53 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-07-12 16:56 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-12 13:53 ` Li Yang-r58472
2007-07-12 16:05 ` [PATCH] Chinese Language Maintainer Rob Landley
2007-07-12 19:52 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-07-12 20:02 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-13 7:42 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-07-13 16:06 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-13 12:43 ` Li Yang
2007-07-13 17:52 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-15 14:42 ` Li Yang
2007-07-15 18:12 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-07-15 18:50 ` Alan Cox
2007-07-15 19:11 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-07-15 20:25 ` Rik van Riel
2007-07-16 4:40 ` Ganesan Rajagopal
2007-07-16 21:43 ` Alan Cox
2007-07-17 7:19 ` Ganesan Rajagopal
2007-07-15 18:53 ` Li Yang
2007-07-15 20:25 ` Rene Herman
2007-07-16 9:17 ` Dr. Keith G. Bowden
2007-07-16 2:49 ` Tsugikazu Shibata
2007-07-16 3:03 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-07-17 16:24 ` Li Yang
2007-07-17 21:06 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-12 16:41 ` Documentation of kernel messages (Summary) Tsugikazu Shibata
2007-07-12 17:35 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-13 2:54 ` Tsugikazu Shibata
2007-07-13 17:12 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-14 1:46 ` Tsugikazu Shibata
2007-07-15 2:12 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-15 16:46 ` Tsugikazu Shibata
2007-07-17 16:06 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-17 23:30 ` Tsugikazu Shibata
2007-07-13 11:54 ` Li Yang
2007-07-15 20:30 ` Rik van Riel
2007-07-09 18:33 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-10 16:25 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-10 18:54 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-10 19:53 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-17 0:31 ` Tim Bird
2007-07-17 1:17 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-07-17 16:42 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-17 16:29 ` Rob Landley
2007-07-10 7:59 ` Li Yang-r58472
2007-07-10 6:38 ` Dave Young
2007-07-09 7:01 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-09 22:59 ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-10 6:15 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-09 18:10 ` [Lf_kernel_messages] " Theodore Tso
2007-07-09 22:12 ` Alan Cox
2007-07-10 16:50 ` Rob Landley
2007-06-13 18:23 ` [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages David Miller
2007-06-13 18:27 ` holzheu
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