From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@tv-sign.ru>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
Roland McGrath <roland@redhat.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Satoru Takeuchi <takeuchi_satoru@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [BUG] ptraced process waiting on syscall may return kernel internal errnos
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:06:56 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1181866017.14818.412.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070614125843.GA78@tv-sign.ru>
On Thu, 2007-06-14 at 16:58 +0400, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
>
> > Well, the only code path in which we'd want to call cancel_freezing() for kernel
> > threads is when the freezing of kernel threads. However, this only happens if
> > one of the kernel threads declares itself as freezable and the fails to call
> > try_to_freeze(), which is a bug.
>
> But this happens? We know a lot of reasons why try_to_freeze() can fail just
> because some kthread waits for already frozen task.
The freezer is a deadlock-o-matic by design. It's one of the major if
not the main reason why we don't use the code in kernel/power.c on
PowerBooks for suspend-to-ram. I don't like it and paulus hates it.
> Well, we can have very subtle problems because a kernel thread may run with
> TIF_SIGPENDING forever. This means in particualar that any wait_event_interruptible()
> can't succeed. I think this is worse than explicit failure (like -ERESSTART... leak),
> because it is hard to reproduce/debug.
Then just don't send signals to them...
> > Moreover, I'm not sure that it's a good idea at all to send signals to kernel
> > threads from the freezer, since in fact we only need to wake them up to make
> > them call try_to_freeze() (after we've set TIF_FREEZE for them).
>
> Yes! I completely agree.
Sounds like a plan...
Freezer problem 1/102893264 solved.
Ben.
prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-06-15 0:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-06-06 5:47 [BUG] ptraced process waiting on syscall may return kernel internal errnos Satoru Takeuchi
2007-06-06 10:59 ` Roland McGrath
2007-06-06 15:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-06 23:07 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-06-07 3:25 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-06-07 3:27 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-06-07 11:33 ` Satoru Takeuchi
2007-06-07 15:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-07 22:24 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-06-08 3:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-08 5:30 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-06-11 22:16 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-06-08 3:07 ` Satoru Takeuchi
2007-06-13 22:06 ` Roland McGrath
2007-06-07 3:20 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-06-13 15:15 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-13 22:36 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-06-13 23:01 ` Roland McGrath
2007-06-13 23:18 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-06-14 0:02 ` Roland McGrath
2007-06-13 22:53 ` Roland McGrath
2007-06-14 12:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-14 12:58 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-14 23:35 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-15 11:31 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-15 21:48 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-15 0:06 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
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