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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@tv-sign.ru>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	Roland McGrath <roland@redhat.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Satoru Takeuchi <takeuchi_satoru@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [BUG] ptraced process waiting on syscall may return kernel internal errnos
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:06:56 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1181866017.14818.412.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070614125843.GA78@tv-sign.ru>

On Thu, 2007-06-14 at 16:58 +0400, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> 
> > Well, the only code path in which we'd want to call cancel_freezing() for kernel
> > threads is when the freezing of kernel threads.  However, this only happens if
> > one of the kernel threads declares itself as freezable and the fails to call
> > try_to_freeze(), which is a bug.
> 
> But this happens? We know a lot of reasons why try_to_freeze() can fail just
> because some kthread waits for already frozen task.

The freezer is a deadlock-o-matic by design. It's one of the major if
not the main reason why we don't use the code in kernel/power.c on
PowerBooks for suspend-to-ram. I don't like it and paulus hates it.

> Well, we can have very subtle problems because a kernel thread may run with
> TIF_SIGPENDING forever. This means in particualar that any wait_event_interruptible()
> can't succeed. I think this is worse than explicit failure (like -ERESSTART... leak),
> because it is hard to reproduce/debug.

Then just don't send signals to them...

> > Moreover, I'm not sure that it's a good idea at all to send signals to kernel
> > threads from the freezer, since in fact we only need to wake them up to make
> > them call try_to_freeze() (after we've set TIF_FREEZE for them).
> 
> Yes! I completely agree.

Sounds like a plan...

Freezer problem 1/102893264 solved.

Ben.



      parent reply	other threads:[~2007-06-15  0:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-06  5:47 [BUG] ptraced process waiting on syscall may return kernel internal errnos Satoru Takeuchi
2007-06-06 10:59 ` Roland McGrath
2007-06-06 15:35   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-06 23:07     ` Paul Mackerras
2007-06-07  3:25     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-06-07  3:27     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-06-07 11:33     ` Satoru Takeuchi
2007-06-07 15:54       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-07 22:24         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-06-08  3:18           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-08  5:30             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-06-11 22:16             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-06-08  3:07         ` Satoru Takeuchi
2007-06-13 22:06     ` Roland McGrath
2007-06-07  3:20   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-06-13 15:15   ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-13 22:36     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-06-13 23:01       ` Roland McGrath
2007-06-13 23:18         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-06-14  0:02           ` Roland McGrath
2007-06-13 22:53     ` Roland McGrath
2007-06-14 12:26     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-14 12:58       ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-14 23:35         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-15 11:31           ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-06-15 21:48             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-15  0:06         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]

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