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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	davej@redhat.com, tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: Change in default vm_dirty_ratio
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:19:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1182331182.21117.39.camel@twins> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070620091404.GO18863@kernel.dk>

On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 11:14 +0200, Jens Axboe wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 20 2007, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > Perhaps our queues are too long - if the VFS _does_ back off, it'll take
> > some time for that to have an effect.
> > 
> > Perhaps the fact that the queue size knows nothing about the _size_ of the
> > requests in the queue is a problem.
> 
> It's complicated, the size may not matter a lot. 128 sequential 512kb IO
> may complete faster than 128 random 4kb IO's.

Yes, is there any way a queue could be limited to a certain amount of
'completion time' ?

> > Back away even further here.
> > 
> > What user-visible problem(s) are we attemping to fix?
> 
> I'd like innocent-app-doing-little-write-or-fsync not being stalled by
> big-bad-app-doing-lots-of-dirtying.

Could you please try this per BDI dirty limit -v7 patch series, the very
last patch tries to address this by taking the per task dirty rate into
account.

Although, on the fsync, ext3 seems to want to do a global fsync, which
will still make the experience suck. :-(


  reply	other threads:[~2007-06-20  9:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-18 21:14 Change in default vm_dirty_ratio Tim Chen
2007-06-18 23:47 ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-19  0:06   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-19  0:09     ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-06-19 18:41   ` John Stoffel
2007-06-19 19:04     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-19 19:06       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-19 22:33       ` David Miller
2007-06-19 19:57   ` Andi Kleen
2007-06-20  4:24   ` Dave Jones
2007-06-20  4:44     ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-20  8:35       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-06-20  8:58         ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-20  9:14           ` Jens Axboe
2007-06-20  9:19             ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2007-06-20  9:20               ` Jens Axboe
2007-06-20  9:43                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-06-21 22:53                 ` Matt Mackall
2007-06-21 23:08                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-23 18:23                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-06-24 16:40                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-25  0:15                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-06-20  9:19           ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-06-21 16:54           ` Mark Lord
2007-06-21 16:55             ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-06-20 17:17         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-20 18:12           ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-06-20 18:28             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-21 12:37     ` Nadia Derbey

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