From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Nigel Cunningham <nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org,
Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 14:41:40 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1183696901.3388.119.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200707061403.15932.nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>
> I/O from swsusp and suspend2 use bios directly, so the page cache isn't an
> issue for them (apart from the fact that Suspend2 saves the page cache
> separately so it can get a full image). Not sure about uswsusp.
>
> Only having half the amount of memory doesn't sound like a big limitation for
> modern desktops & laptops, but don't forget that there are embedded guys
> wanting to hbernate too :)
Wait wait wait ... uses the BIOS ? what do you mean ?
I know that for example, things like MacOS X use a separate polled path to
the storage driver for suspend (works fine for the built-in IDE, but more
complicated in large scale). If you can use BIOS calls to write your
suspend image, that is, if you don't need any of the normal block
infrastructure, then you don't need a freezer ! not at all !
You just do like STR ... and at the end of the day, once you have stopped
all your driver, you shut interrupts off and do the BIOS thing....
I fail to see how processes could dirty pages while/after the BIOS thingy :-)
But then, the problem with that approach is that of course, you need a BIOS
capable of doing that (or a special sideband path to the "blessed" block
driver that will be used for suspend ... not necessarily a hard thing to do,
would be trivial to add support to drivers/ide or libata for that sort of
things I suppose).
Ben.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-07-06 4:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 387+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-07-03 4:29 [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway Matthew Garrett
2007-07-03 4:54 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-03 5:21 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-03 5:24 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-03 5:48 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 6:08 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-03 7:19 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 7:44 ` [linux-pm] " Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 10:47 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-03 11:07 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 11:22 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-03 11:27 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 11:45 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 11:50 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 0:02 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-03 11:44 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 11:55 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 23:40 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 7:02 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-04 8:02 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 8:26 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-04 10:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 12:58 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 15:46 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-03 11:23 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-03 11:42 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 23:11 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 8:11 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-04 8:27 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 8:39 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-04 9:21 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 10:08 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-04 10:46 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 10:53 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-04 10:59 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 11:02 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-04 14:44 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-03 15:58 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-04 4:02 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 15:04 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-05 0:28 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-03 11:40 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 11:46 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 13:07 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 12:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 14:21 ` [linux-pm] " Johannes Berg
2007-07-03 14:50 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-03 14:59 ` Johannes Berg
2007-07-03 15:22 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 17:38 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-03 20:54 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 20:21 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-04 4:59 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 14:57 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-05 0:23 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-05 6:58 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 8:17 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 8:24 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 8:41 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 8:48 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 8:58 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 10:02 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 10:14 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 11:40 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 11:54 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 13:23 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 13:28 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 13:46 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-05 14:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 14:23 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-05 14:46 ` Ray Lee
2007-07-05 15:00 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-05 14:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 16:06 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-06 5:45 ` Daniel Pittman
2007-07-05 14:02 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 22:38 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-06 7:04 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-06 7:30 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-06 12:35 ` Benny Amorsen
2007-07-06 12:45 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 9:18 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-05 9:31 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 11:54 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-05 12:07 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 13:28 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 19:38 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 19:44 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 20:19 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 20:38 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 21:01 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 20:34 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 20:46 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 20:49 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 20:53 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 21:06 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-05 21:15 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 21:31 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 21:07 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 21:15 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-05 21:26 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 21:37 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-06 7:13 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-06 8:59 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-06 9:31 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-06 9:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-07 2:46 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-07 2:44 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-07 20:48 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-08 0:50 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-05 23:05 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-06 3:59 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-06 7:32 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-07 12:17 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-07 20:42 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-07 23:33 ` malicious filesystems (was Re: [linux-pm] Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway) Pavel Machek
2007-07-08 7:21 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-08 8:15 ` Off topically about Re: malicious filesystems (was " Oleg Verych
2007-07-08 12:37 ` malicious filesystems (was Re: [linux-pm] " Pavel Machek
2007-07-08 13:58 ` Al Viro
2007-07-08 16:23 ` David Brownell
2007-07-08 14:23 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-08 18:08 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-08 18:28 ` Al Viro
2007-07-08 19:50 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-08 21:07 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-09 9:28 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-09 9:36 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-09 9:40 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-08 14:06 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-09 16:19 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-12 15:31 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-12 21:56 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-12 23:13 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 11:58 ` [linux-pm] Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 12:24 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 13:31 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 13:50 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 14:14 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 14:14 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 22:04 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-06 7:07 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-07 12:19 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-06 7:16 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 14:23 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-05 22:59 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-06 7:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-06 15:13 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-08 7:19 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-08 7:35 ` [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway (philosophical) Oleg Verych
2007-07-07 7:56 ` [linux-pm] Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway Pavel Machek
2007-07-04 3:55 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 15:12 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-05 0:35 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-05 9:15 ` removing refrigerator does not help with s2ram vs. fuse deadlocks (was Re: [linux-pm] Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway) Pavel Machek
2007-07-05 13:57 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-05 14:28 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 14:26 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-05 14:41 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 14:39 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-05 15:04 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 15:03 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-05 15:27 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 15:32 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-07 11:50 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-07 20:14 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-07 11:49 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-07 12:08 ` problem 1 (was Re: removing refrigerator does not help with s2ram vs. fuse deadlocks (was Re: [linux-pm] Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway)) Pavel Machek
2007-07-07 20:55 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 14:42 ` [linux-pm] Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway Alan Stern
2007-07-03 14:51 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 14:48 ` Johannes Berg
2007-07-03 21:14 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 21:32 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 21:35 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 22:43 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-04 3:29 ` [linux-pm] " Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 10:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-04 10:48 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 11:10 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-04 11:24 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 14:30 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 0:15 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-05 11:54 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-07 12:09 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-04 11:25 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 22:19 ` The big suspend mess Adrian Bunk
2007-07-05 0:27 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-05 0:53 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-05 9:32 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-05 10:29 ` Gabriel C
2007-07-05 10:32 ` Fabio Comolli
2007-07-05 1:22 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-05 12:18 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 14:14 ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2007-07-05 9:30 ` [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway Pavel Machek
2007-07-05 22:46 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-05 23:13 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-05 23:20 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-05 23:35 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-06 1:19 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-07-06 1:37 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-06 3:59 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-06 7:35 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-06 9:03 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-06 14:38 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-07 3:44 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-07 11:49 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-08 0:40 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-07 16:17 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-08 0:42 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-08 2:24 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-08 4:39 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-08 18:46 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-08 20:22 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-08 21:08 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-08 21:21 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-09 6:52 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-09 9:14 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-09 11:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-08 18:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-08 18:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-06 15:42 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-07 0:43 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-07-07 2:59 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-07 4:06 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-07 17:19 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-08 0:48 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-08 2:53 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-08 5:14 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-08 5:19 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-08 20:17 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-08 19:15 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-08 21:03 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-08 21:07 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-08 21:45 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-08 21:54 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-08 22:13 ` hibernation/snapshot design [was Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway] Pavel Machek
2007-07-08 22:23 ` david
2007-07-08 23:00 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-08 23:20 ` david
2007-07-08 23:28 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-08 23:45 ` david
2007-07-09 15:23 ` hibernation/snapshot design Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-08 23:01 ` hibernation/snapshot design [was Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway] Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-08 23:03 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-10 1:33 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-10 1:56 ` [linux-pm] " Paul Mackerras
2007-07-08 20:16 ` [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway Alan Stern
2007-07-08 21:01 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-08 21:20 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-08 22:06 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-09 0:33 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-09 0:57 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-07-09 1:32 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
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2007-07-09 9:13 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-09 9:23 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-09 9:33 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
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2007-07-09 10:02 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-09 10:05 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-09 16:03 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-08 21:35 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
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2007-07-03 6:13 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 6:51 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-03 12:13 ` Matthew Garrett
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2007-07-03 16:03 ` [linux-pm] [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway Alan Stern
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