From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Cc: Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>,
Nigel Cunningham <nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>,
Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org,
Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:03:11 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1183712591.3388.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200707060935.11186.rjw@sisk.pl>
> On powerbooks you disable the nonboot CPUs before suspending devices, which
> simplifies things _a_ _lot_ in comparison with the general case.
Not that much actually. It avoids having to gather them all in the last
stage at the low level but that isn't really related to what we are
talking about right now.
> If you additionally disable kernel preemption, then you don't need anything
> like the freezer anyway in that case (except for detecting situations in which
> the suspend process can deadlock with a task stuck in the D state holding a
> lock, but that's overkill).
kernel preemption and SMP have nothing to do with it. You can still
schedule because one of the driver suspend() callback is schedul'ing,
maybe waiting for some requests to complete, etc... Happens typically
with the disk suspend callbacks.
I agree that it does lower the likelyness of having a userspace process
pound on the wrong driver at the wrong time though.
Ben.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-07-06 9:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 387+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-07-03 4:29 [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway Matthew Garrett
2007-07-03 4:54 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-03 5:21 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-03 5:24 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-03 5:48 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 6:08 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-03 7:19 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 7:44 ` [linux-pm] " Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 10:47 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-03 11:07 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 11:22 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-03 11:27 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 11:45 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 11:50 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 0:02 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-03 11:44 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 11:55 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 23:40 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 7:02 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-04 8:02 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 8:26 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-04 10:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 12:58 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 15:46 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-03 11:23 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-03 11:42 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 23:11 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 8:11 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-04 8:27 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 8:39 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-04 9:21 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 10:08 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-04 10:46 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 10:53 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-04 10:59 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 11:02 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-04 14:44 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-03 15:58 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-04 4:02 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 15:04 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-05 0:28 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-03 11:40 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 11:46 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 13:07 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 12:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 14:21 ` [linux-pm] " Johannes Berg
2007-07-03 14:50 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-03 14:59 ` Johannes Berg
2007-07-03 15:22 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 17:38 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-03 20:54 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 20:21 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-04 4:59 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 14:57 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-05 0:23 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-05 6:58 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 8:17 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 8:24 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 8:41 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 8:48 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 8:58 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 10:02 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 10:14 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 11:40 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 11:54 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 13:23 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 13:28 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 13:46 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-05 14:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 14:23 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-05 14:46 ` Ray Lee
2007-07-05 15:00 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-05 14:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 16:06 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-06 5:45 ` Daniel Pittman
2007-07-05 14:02 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 22:38 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-06 7:04 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-06 7:30 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-06 12:35 ` Benny Amorsen
2007-07-06 12:45 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 9:18 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-05 9:31 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 11:54 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-05 12:07 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 13:28 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 19:38 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 19:44 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 20:19 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 20:38 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 21:01 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 20:34 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 20:46 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 20:49 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 20:53 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 21:06 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-05 21:15 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 21:31 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 21:07 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 21:15 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-05 21:26 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 21:37 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-06 7:13 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-06 8:59 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-06 9:31 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-06 9:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-07 2:46 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-07 2:44 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-07 20:48 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-08 0:50 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-05 23:05 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-06 3:59 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-06 7:32 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-07 12:17 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-07 20:42 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-07 23:33 ` malicious filesystems (was Re: [linux-pm] Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway) Pavel Machek
2007-07-08 7:21 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-08 8:15 ` Off topically about Re: malicious filesystems (was " Oleg Verych
2007-07-08 12:37 ` malicious filesystems (was Re: [linux-pm] " Pavel Machek
2007-07-08 13:58 ` Al Viro
2007-07-08 16:23 ` David Brownell
2007-07-08 14:23 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-08 18:08 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-08 18:28 ` Al Viro
2007-07-08 19:50 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-08 21:07 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-09 9:28 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-09 9:36 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-09 9:40 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-08 14:06 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-09 16:19 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-12 15:31 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-12 21:56 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-12 23:13 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 11:58 ` [linux-pm] Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 12:24 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 13:31 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 13:50 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 14:14 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 14:14 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 22:04 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-06 7:07 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-07 12:19 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-06 7:16 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 14:23 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-05 22:59 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-06 7:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-06 15:13 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-08 7:19 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-08 7:35 ` [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway (philosophical) Oleg Verych
2007-07-07 7:56 ` [linux-pm] Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway Pavel Machek
2007-07-04 3:55 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 15:12 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-05 0:35 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-05 9:15 ` removing refrigerator does not help with s2ram vs. fuse deadlocks (was Re: [linux-pm] Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway) Pavel Machek
2007-07-05 13:57 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-05 14:28 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 14:26 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-05 14:41 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 14:39 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-05 15:04 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 15:03 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-05 15:27 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 15:32 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-07 11:50 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-07 20:14 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-07 11:49 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-07 12:08 ` problem 1 (was Re: removing refrigerator does not help with s2ram vs. fuse deadlocks (was Re: [linux-pm] Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway)) Pavel Machek
2007-07-07 20:55 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 14:42 ` [linux-pm] Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway Alan Stern
2007-07-03 14:51 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 14:48 ` Johannes Berg
2007-07-03 21:14 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 21:32 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 21:35 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 22:43 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-04 3:29 ` [linux-pm] " Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 10:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-04 10:48 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 11:10 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-04 11:24 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 14:30 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 0:15 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-05 11:54 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-07 12:09 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-04 11:25 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 22:19 ` The big suspend mess Adrian Bunk
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2007-07-05 14:14 ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
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2007-07-05 13:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
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2007-07-06 7:40 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-06 7:39 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-06 7:51 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-06 9:09 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-06 9:16 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-06 9:33 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-03 21:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 19:27 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-03 21:25 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 21:16 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 6:13 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 6:51 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-03 12:13 ` Matthew Garrett
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2007-07-03 13:12 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 12:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
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2007-07-03 16:03 ` [linux-pm] [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway Alan Stern
2007-07-03 16:05 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-03 16:57 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-03 17:02 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-03 19:33 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-03 19:42 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-03 19:54 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-03 20:23 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-03 21:10 ` Alan Stern
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2007-07-03 21:20 ` Matthew Garrett
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2007-07-05 12:39 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 16:10 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
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2007-07-05 0:43 ` Paul Mackerras
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2007-07-05 12:51 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 12:50 ` Johannes Berg
2007-07-05 13:47 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 14:25 ` Alan Stern
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