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From: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
To: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
Cc: linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Fengguang Wu <wfg@mail.ustc.edu.cn>, riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	Tim Pepper <lnxninja@us.ibm.com>, Chris Snook <csnook@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] readahead: scale max readahead size depending on memory size
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:17:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1185095852.20032.229.camel@twins> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070722085041.GS11657@kernel.dk>

On Sun, 2007-07-22 at 10:50 +0200, Jens Axboe wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 22 2007, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Sun, 2007-07-22 at 10:24 +0200, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > > On Sat, Jul 21 2007, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > 
> > > > +static __init int readahead_init(void)
> > > > +{
> > > > +	/*
> > > > +	 * Scale the max readahead window with system memory
> > > > +	 *
> > > > +	 *   64M:   128K
> > > > +	 *  128M:   180K
> > > > +	 *  256M:   256K
> > > > +	 *  512M:   360K
> > > > +	 *    1G:   512K
> > > > +	 *    2G:   724K
> > > > +	 *    4G:  1024K
> > > > +	 *    8G:  1448K
> > > > +	 *   16G:  2048K
> > > > +	 */
> > > > +	ra_pages = int_sqrt(totalram_pages/16);
> > > > +	if (ra_pages > (2 << (20 - PAGE_SHIFT)))
> > > > +		ra_pages = 2 << (20 - PAGE_SHIFT);
> > > > +
> > > > +	return 0;
> > > > +}
> > > 
> > > How did you come up with these numbers?
> > 
> > Well, most other places in the kernel where we scale by memory size we
> > use the a sqrt curve, and the specific scale was the result of some
> > fiddling, these numbers looked sane to me, nothing special.
> > 
> > Would you suggest a different set, and if so, do you have any rationale
> > for them?
> 
> I just wish you had a rationale behind them, I don't think it's that
> great of a series.

Well, I was quite ignorant of the issues you just pointed out. Thanks
those do indeed provide basis for a more solid set.

>  I agree with the low point of 128k.

Perhaps that should be enforced then, because currently a system with
<64M will get less.

>  Then it'd be sane
> to try and determine what the upper limit of ra window size goodness is,
> which is probably impossible since it depends on the hardware a lot. But
> lets just say the upper value is 2mb, then I think it's pretty silly
> _not_ to use 2mb on a 1g machine for instance. So more aggressive
> scaling.

Right, I was being a little conservative here.

> Then there's the relationship between nr of requests and ra size. When
> you leave everything up to a simple sqrt of total_ram type thing, then
> you are sure to hit stupid values that cause a queue size of a number of
> full requests, plus a small one at the end. Clearly not optimal!

And this is where Wu's point of power of two series comes into play,
right?

So something like:

  roundup_pow_of_two(int_sqrt((totalram_pages << (PAGE_SHIFT-10))))


		memory in MB		RA window in KB
                            64                            128
                           128                            256
                           256                            256
                           512                            512
                          1024                            512
                          2048                           1024
                          4096                           1024
                          8192                           2048
                         16384                           2048
                         32768                           4096
                         65536                           4096





  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-22  9:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-21 21:00 [PATCH 0/3] readahead drop behind and size adjustment Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-21 21:00 ` [PATCH 1/3] readahead: drop behind Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-21 20:29   ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-21 20:37     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-21 20:59       ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-21 21:06         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-25  3:55   ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-21 21:00 ` [PATCH 2/3] readahead: fadvise drop behind controls Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-21 21:00 ` [PATCH 3/3] readahead: scale max readahead size depending on memory size Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-22  8:24   ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-22  8:36     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-22  8:50       ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-22  9:17         ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2007-07-22 16:44           ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-23 10:04             ` Jörn Engel
2007-07-23 10:11               ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-23 22:44               ` Rusty Russell
2007-07-22 23:52         ` Rik van Riel
2007-07-23  5:22           ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]   ` <20070722084526.GB6317@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-07-22  8:45     ` Fengguang Wu
2007-07-22  8:59       ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]         ` <20070722095313.GA8136@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-07-22  9:53           ` Fengguang Wu
     [not found] ` <20070722023923.GA6438@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-07-22  2:39   ` [PATCH 0/3] readahead drop behind and size adjustment Fengguang Wu
2007-07-22  2:44   ` Dave Jones
     [not found]     ` <20070722081010.GA6317@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-07-22  8:10       ` Fengguang Wu
2007-07-22  8:24         ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]           ` <20070722082923.GA7790@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-07-22  8:29             ` Fengguang Wu
2007-07-22  8:33       ` Rusty Russell
2007-07-22  8:45         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-23  9:00         ` Nick Piggin
     [not found]           ` <20070723142457.GA10130@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-07-23 14:24             ` Fengguang Wu
2007-07-23 19:40               ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]                 ` <20070724004728.GA8026@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-07-24  0:47                   ` Fengguang Wu
2007-07-24  1:17                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-24  8:50                       ` Andreas Dilger
2007-07-24  4:30                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25  4:35           ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-25  5:19             ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25  6:18               ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-25  7:09                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25  7:48                   ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-25 15:36                     ` Rik van Riel
2007-07-25 15:33                   ` Rik van Riel
2007-07-29  7:44                   ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-25 15:28               ` Rik van Riel

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