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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@tv-sign.ru>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Gregory Haskins <ghaskins@novell.com>,
	Daniel Walker <dwalker@mvista.com>,
	linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] RT: Add priority-queuing and priority-inheritance to workqueue infrastructure
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:32:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1186407173.7182.16.camel@twins> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1186406963.7182.13.camel@twins>

On Mon, 2007-08-06 at 15:29 +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-08-06 at 17:18 +0400, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> 
> > Yes, I still disagree with the whole idea because I hope we can make
> > something more simpler to solve the problem, but I must admit I don't
> > quite understand what the problem is.
> > 
> > So, please consider a noise from my side as my attempt to help. And
> > in fact, I am very curious about -rt tree, just I never had a time
> > to study it :)
> 
> 
> Well, the thing is, suppose we have 2 drivers both using keventd say a
> NIC and some USB thingy.
> 
> Now the NIC is deemed important hand gets irq thread prio 90, and the
> USB could not be cared less about and gets 10 (note that on -rt irq
> handlers are threaded and run SCHED_FIFO).
> 
> So now you can get priority inversion in keventd. Say the USB thingy
> schedules a work item which will be executed. Then during the execution
> of this work the NIC will also schedule a work item. Now the NIC (fifo
> 90) will have to wait for the USB work (fifo 10) to complete.

/me hits himself.

of course today everything will run on whatever prio keventd ends up,
regardless of the prio of the submitter.

still this does not change the fundamental issue of a high prio piece of
work waiting on a lower prio task.

> The typical solution is priority inheritance, where the highest prio of
> any waiter is propagated to the currently running work, so that it can
> finish and get on with the more important work.
> 
> 
> So these patches aimed to provide proper PI in the workqueue structure
> to avoid this problem.
> 
> However as you rightly noted, this horribly breaks the barrier/flush
> semantics.
> 
> I suspect most of the barrier/flush semantics could be replaced with
> completions from specific work items. Doing this will be a lot of work
> though.
> 
> I hope this rambling is not confusing you any further :-)


  reply	other threads:[~2007-08-06 13:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-01  0:26 [PATCH] RT: Add priority-queuing and priority-inheritance to workqueue infrastructure Gregory Haskins
2007-08-01  3:52 ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-01 11:59   ` Gregory Haskins
2007-08-01 15:10     ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-01 15:19       ` Gregory Haskins
2007-08-01 15:55         ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-01 17:32           ` Gregory Haskins
2007-08-01 21:48       ` Esben Nielsen
2007-08-01 17:01   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-01 17:10     ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-01 18:26       ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-08-01 18:39         ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-01 20:25           ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-08-01 18:12     ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-08-01 18:29       ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-01 20:18         ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-08-01 20:32           ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-08-01 20:43             ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-01 20:34           ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-01 20:50             ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-08-01 21:02               ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-01 21:13               ` Gregory Haskins
2007-08-01 21:34                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-08-01 21:59                   ` Gregory Haskins
2007-08-01 22:22                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-08-01 23:53                       ` Gregory Haskins
2007-08-02 19:50                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-08-06 11:35                           ` Gregory Haskins
2007-08-06 14:26                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-08-06 14:57                               ` Gregory Haskins
2007-08-06 15:36                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-08-06 15:50                                   ` Gregory Haskins
2007-08-06 16:50                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-08-06 16:57                                       ` Gregory Haskins
2007-08-06 11:49                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-06 13:18                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-08-06 13:29                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 13:32                                 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2007-08-06 14:45                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-08-06 14:52                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 16:40                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-08-06 15:04                                     ` Gregory Haskins
2007-08-06 15:38                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-08-06 19:33                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-08-06 19:37                             ` Gregory Haskins

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