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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: akepner@sgi.com
Cc: Randy Dunlap <randy.dunlap@oracle.com>,
	Jes Sorensen <jes@sgi.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	rdreier@cisco.com, linux-ia64 <linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] dma: override "dma_flags_set_dmaflush" for sn-ia64
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:14:09 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1187745249.18410.67.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070822003450.GM5592@sgi.com>

On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 17:34 -0700, akepner@sgi.com wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 03:55:29PM -0500, James Bottomley wrote:
> 
> > .....
> > Almost every platform supports posted DMA ... its a property of most PCI
> > bridge chips.
> > 
> 
> The term "posted DMA" is used to describe this behavior in the Altix 
> Device Driver Writer's Guide, but it may be confusing things here. 
> Maybe a better term will suggest itself if I can clarify....

OK, but posted DMA has a pretty specific meaning in terms of PCI, hence
the confusion.

> On Altix, DMA from a device isn't guaranteed to arrive in host memory 
> in the order it was sent from the device. This reordering can happen 
> in the NUMA interconnect (it's specifically not a PCI reordering.)

This is mmiowb and read_relaxed() again, isn't it?

> > ......
> > This isn't possible on most platforms.  PCI write posting can only be
> > flushed by a read transaction on the device (or sometimes any device on
> > the bridge).  Either this interface is misnamed and misdescribed, or it
> > can't work for most systems.
> > 
> 
> Clearly it wasn't described adequately...
> 
> A read transaction on the device will flush pending writes to the 
> device. But I'm worried about DMA from the device to host memory. 
> On Altix, there are two mechanisms that flush all in-flight DMA 
> to host memory: 1) an interrupt, and 2) a write to a memory region 
> which has a "barrier" attribute set. Obviously option 1 isn't 
> viable for performance reasons. This new interface is about making 
> "option 2" generally available. (As it is now, the only way to get 
> memory with the "barrier" attribute is to allocate it with 
> dma_alloc_coherent().)

Which sounds exactly what mmiowb does ... is there a need for a new API;
can't you just use mmiowb()?

James



  reply	other threads:[~2007-08-22  1:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-18  0:27 [PATCH 2/3] dma: override "dma_flags_set_dmaflush" for sn-ia64 akepner
2007-08-20  8:24 ` Jes Sorensen
2007-08-20 16:07   ` akepner
2007-08-21 19:35   ` akepner
2007-08-21 20:05     ` Randy Dunlap
2007-08-21 20:55       ` James Bottomley
2007-08-22  0:34         ` akepner
2007-08-22  1:14           ` James Bottomley [this message]
2007-08-22  7:39             ` Jes Sorensen
2007-08-22 14:02               ` James Bottomley
2007-08-22 16:03                 ` Jesse Barnes
2007-08-22 16:44                   ` James Bottomley
2007-08-22 16:51                     ` Jesse Barnes
2007-08-22 17:04                       ` James Bottomley
2007-08-22 17:03                         ` Jes Sorensen
2007-08-22 18:10                           ` James Bottomley
2007-08-23  8:45                             ` Jes Sorensen
2007-08-22 17:17                         ` Jesse Barnes
2007-08-22 18:13                           ` James Bottomley
2007-08-22 18:44                             ` akepner
2007-08-23  5:58               ` Jeremy Higdon
2007-08-22 15:54             ` akepner
2007-08-21 20:16     ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-08-21 21:37       ` akepner
2007-08-22  7:44       ` Jes Sorensen

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