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From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: ego@in.ibm.com, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@tv-sign.ru>,
	Cliff Wickman <cpw@sgi.com>,
	mingo@elte.hu, vatsa@in.ibm.com, pj@sgi.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, ntl@in.ibm.com,
	Dipankar Sarma <dipankar@in.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] hotplug cpu: migrate a task within its cpuset
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:01:34 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1188198094.5531.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070826010903.7599c22e.akpm@linux-foundation.org>

On Sun, 2007-08-26 at 01:09 -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 10:47:24 +1000 Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au> wrote:
> > Userspace is not monolithic.  If you refuse to take a CPU offline
> > because a task is affine, then any user can prevent a CPU from going
> > offline.
> 
> That's a kernel bug.

You mean "would be if it were implemented"?  Although consider the
equivalent forkbomb or thrashing userspace problems, where we just say
"use quotas".

Just to clarify: that is not how we work, we migrate tasks off a dying
CPU, breaking affinity and printing a warning if necessary.  

It was simple and has not proven problematic in practice.  (Userspace
cpu affinity has been a question of optimality not correctness)

> > You could, perhaps, introduce a "gentle" offline which fails if process
> > affinity can no longer be met.
> 
> Suitably privileged userspace should be able to
> 
> 1) prevent tasks from binding to CPU N then
> 2) migrate all tasks which can use CPU N over to other CPU(s) then
> 3) offline CPU N.

Indeed, (1) is missing.  I would hesitate to introduce more
infrastructure in an under-worn and over-buggy part of the kernel
though.

Rusty.



  reply	other threads:[~2007-08-28 17:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-24 22:18 [PATCH 1/1] hotplug cpu: migrate a task within its cpuset Cliff Wickman
2007-08-24 22:54 ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-25  9:47   ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-08-26  0:16     ` Gautham R Shenoy
2007-08-26  0:47       ` Rusty Russell
2007-08-26  8:09         ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-27  7:01           ` Rusty Russell [this message]
2007-08-25  9:58 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-08-25 11:18 ` Oleg Nesterov
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-05-23 21:29 Oleg Nesterov
2007-05-23 22:56 ` Cliff Wickman
2007-05-23 23:32   ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-05-21 20:08 Cliff Wickman
2007-05-23 17:43 ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-24  7:56   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-29 19:32     ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-09 19:39 Cliff Wickman
2007-03-09 23:58 ` Nathan Lynch
2007-03-15  0:36   ` Robin Holt
2007-03-15  7:32     ` Nathan Lynch
2007-03-10  9:19 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-10 15:51   ` Nathan Lynch
2007-03-10 17:08     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-07 14:24 Cliff Wickman
2007-03-07 18:25 ` Randy Dunlap

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