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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@SteelEye.com>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>,
	Folkert van Heusden <folkert@vanheusden.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 17:39:11 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1189373951.3526.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070909212159.GF25798@one.firstfloor.org>

On Sun, 2007-09-09 at 23:22 +0200, Andi Kleen wrote:
> > The current setup expresses the dependencies as they exist -- OPTIONAL 
> > extras, and that is a problem once a year or so, when someone builds 
> 
> Disk support over SCSI/SATA is hardly an "optional extra". It's more the 99+%
> case.

Using that argument, there's an equal case for always requiring SCSI to
be built for every kernel, since very few people can boot a system
without a disk.  However, the 1% case is the embedded flash booting
community plus a few others, so we allow SCSI to be optional for our 1%
who don't want it.

At base, the Kconfig system is designed to give the greatest flexibility
with the fewest foot shooting opportunities.  However, we do tend to err
on the side of flexibility if there's a conflict between the two design
goals.

> > their own kernel but must learn this fact anew.
> 
> When it costs 10000 people half an hour to learn and correct this it 
> wasted 5000 hours of previous livetime.
>
> Besides there is no good reason to have ever learned this imho.

The process of becoming an expert in the kernel build system naturally
involves making mistakes and learning from them, so this is probably
time reasonably well spent.

James



  reply	other threads:[~2007-09-09 21:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-09-07 12:48 sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig Folkert van Heusden
2007-09-07 14:40 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-09-07 14:58   ` Folkert van Heusden
2007-09-07 19:38     ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-09-07 23:02       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-09-08  7:27         ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-09-07 15:35 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-09-07 15:59   ` Folkert van Heusden
2007-09-07 16:21     ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-07 23:05       ` Folkert van Heusden
2007-09-08  7:05         ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-08  7:29           ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-09-08  7:56             ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-08 16:31           ` Randy Dunlap
2007-09-08 16:44             ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-08 16:48               ` Randy Dunlap
2007-09-08 19:45                 ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-08  8:43   ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-09-13  8:50   ` Helge Hafting
2007-09-14 16:42     ` Goswin von Brederlow
2007-09-14 18:44       ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-08 16:07 ` Andi Kleen
2007-09-08 16:50   ` Randy Dunlap
2007-09-08 16:53     ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-09-08 18:13     ` Andi Kleen
2007-09-08 18:30       ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-08 19:14         ` Andi Kleen
2007-09-08 19:32           ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-09 21:00   ` James Bottomley
2007-09-09 21:03     ` Andi Kleen
2007-09-09 21:11       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-09 21:22         ` Andi Kleen
2007-09-09 21:39           ` James Bottomley [this message]
2007-09-10  6:38             ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-10 12:43               ` Rene Herman
2007-09-11 20:16           ` Bauke Jan Douma
2007-09-12 22:46         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-14 14:54           ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 15:15             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-14 15:37               ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 16:01                 ` [PATCH] SCSI: update Kconfig help text to indicate SCSI core's widespread usage Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 16:29                   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-14 18:02                   ` [RFC PATCH] SCSI: split Kconfig menu into two Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 18:04                     ` [PATCH] SCSI: trailing whitespace in Kconfig Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 19:00                     ` [RFC PATCH] SCSI: split Kconfig menu into two Sam Ravnborg
2007-09-14 19:06                       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-14 20:01                         ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 11:40                           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-15 12:24                             ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 12:50                               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-15 13:20                                 ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 13:53                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-15 14:11                                     ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 14:43                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-15 15:27                                         ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 15:44                                           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-15 16:23                                             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-15 16:52                                               ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-09-15 19:17                                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-15 20:54                                                   ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-09-16 20:12                                               ` Greg KH
2007-09-15 16:42                                           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-17 11:29                               ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2007-09-17 14:46                                 ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 20:20                     ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 21:22                       ` [PATCH update] " Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 18:54                   ` [PATCH] SCSI: update Kconfig help text to indicate SCSI core's widespread usage Lennart Sorensen
2007-09-14 20:14                     ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 20:21                       ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-09-14 21:06                         ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 21:11                           ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-09-14 21:14                           ` [PATCH update] " Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 22:02                             ` FUJITA Tomonori
2007-09-15  6:16                               ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 10:52                                 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2007-09-15 12:30                                   ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 12:53                                     ` FUJITA Tomonori
2007-09-15 12:59                             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-15 13:19                               ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-14 16:16                 ` sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig Adrian Bunk
2007-09-14 16:50                   ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-15  8:04               ` Paul Rolland
2007-09-15  8:25                 ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 13:00                   ` Paul Rolland
2007-09-15 15:50                     ` x86_64 usability bug: Kconfig prompt without help text (was Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig) Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 16:21                       ` Andi Kleen
2007-09-15 17:13                         ` [PATCH] x86_64: configure HPET_EMULATE_RTC automatically Stefan Richter
2007-09-15 18:23                 ` sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig david
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-09-08  3:52 Al Boldi
2007-09-08 13:47 ` Alan Cox
2007-09-08 14:03   ` Al Boldi
2007-09-08 16:08     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-09-09  4:11     ` Al Boldi
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     [not found]   ` <919aD-8ua-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
2007-09-08 16:52     ` Bodo Eggert
2007-09-08 18:22       ` Stefan Richter
2007-09-08 18:54       ` Randy Dunlap

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