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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: Roland Dreier <rdreier@cisco.com>
Cc: Thomas Bogendoerfer <tsbogend@alpha.franken.de>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
	rmk@arm.linux.org.uk
Subject: Re: SCSI breakage on non-cache coherent architectures
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:10:15 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1195593015.17601.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <adaabp8wuma.fsf@cisco.com>


On Tue, 2007-11-20 at 12:05 -0800, Roland Dreier wrote:
> > Actually, we already established on IRC that the lasi700 driver doesn't
>  > need this, principally because the parisc architecture doesn't do an
>  > invalidate for DMA_FROM_DEVICE but a flush and invalidate
>  > (architecturally, if you read our manuals, even pdc is entitled to write
>  > back dirty lines, so it's not clear there's actually an invalidate
>  > instruction we can use).   This is also one possible temporary fix for
>  > the other architectures if we can't get a different method to work
>  > nicely.
> 
> I think doing a writeback and invalidate is a very fragile way to deal
> with DMA into the middle of a data structure.  It may work OK for now,
> but you have to make sure forever into the future that no codepath
> anywhere else ever touches the cacheline that you're DMAing into while
> the DMA is pending.  It just leaves a hidden trap that is too easy to
> step on, because the architectures that get pretty much all testing
> all have cache-coherent DMA.
> 
> Reviving my ancient __dma_buffer patch seems far preferable to me.

We're talking about trying to fix this for 2.4; which is already at
-rc3 ... Is an entire arch change for dma alignment really a merge
candidate at this stage?

James



  reply	other threads:[~2007-11-20 21:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-11-19  5:35 SCSI breakage on non-cache coherent architectures Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-11-19  8:38 ` David Miller
2007-11-19 19:51   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-11-19 22:31     ` David Miller
2007-11-20  0:34       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-11-20  0:46         ` David Miller
2007-11-20  0:55           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-11-20  0:57             ` David Miller
2007-11-20  2:10           ` Roland Dreier
2007-11-20  2:35             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-11-20  3:14             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-11-20 19:35               ` James Bottomley
2007-11-20  8:29     ` Thomas Bogendoerfer
2007-11-20 14:36       ` James Bottomley
2007-11-20 20:05         ` Roland Dreier
2007-11-20 21:10           ` James Bottomley [this message]
2007-11-20 22:39             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-11-20 23:09               ` James Bottomley
2007-11-19 12:32 ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-11-19 15:09   ` James Bottomley
2007-11-19 19:54     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-11-19 19:55     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-11-19 19:53   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-11-19 21:43 ` Roland Dreier
2007-11-19 21:55   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt

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