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From: Jon Masters <jonathan@jonmasters.org>
To: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
Cc: Roland Dreier <rdreier@cisco.com>, Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	sam@ravnborg.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] [1/9] Core module symbol namespaces code and intro.
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:31:38 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1196202698.3415.119.camel@jcmlaptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200711271549.37670.rusty@rustcorp.com.au>

On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 15:49 +1100, Rusty Russell wrote:
> On Monday 26 November 2007 17:15:44 Roland Dreier wrote:

> > It seems pretty   
> > clear to me that having a mechanism that requires modules to make
> > explicit which (semi-)internal APIs makes reviewing easier
> 
> Perhaps you've got lots of patches were people are using internal APIs they 
> shouldn't?

With my "Enterprise" hat on, I can see where Andi was coming from
originally. Just like we do in RHEL, SuSE have a concept of a kernel ABI
and we too have a concept of a whitelist of symbols - a subset of kernel
ABI that is approved for use by third parties (this is nothing to do
with licensing, this is to do with ABI stability we try to ensure).

As part of figuring out what should and should not be used by external
modules (outside of the core kernel), we've gained a bit of experience,
and it would be nice to be able to help others - this is nothing to do
with upstream "ABI stability", but just to be of a public service by
documenting those functions that are never intended for modules but
which necessarily are exported because they have one or two users.

> > , makes it 
> > easier to communicate "please don't use that API" to module authors,
> 
> Well, introduce an EXPORT_SYMBOL_INTERNAL().  It's a lot less code.  But you'd 
> still need to show that people are having trouble knowing what APIs to use.

I suggested this exact idea privately at OLS. I still think it's the
best compromise, though I like bits of the namespace idea. An
EXPORT_SYMBOL_INTERNAL would indeed be trivial.

Jon.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-11-27 22:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-11-22  2:43 [PATCH RFC] [1/9] Core module symbol namespaces code and intro Andi Kleen
2007-11-22  2:43 ` [PATCH RFC] [2/9] Fix duplicate symbol check to also check future gpl and unused symbols Andi Kleen
2007-11-22  2:43 ` [PATCH RFC] [3/9] modpost: Declare the modpost error functions as printf like Andi Kleen
2007-12-10 18:50   ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-12-10 18:58     ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-12  1:37     ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-22  2:43 ` [PATCH RFC] [4/9] modpost: Fix format string warnings Andi Kleen
2007-12-10 18:50   ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-11-22  2:43 ` [PATCH RFC] [5/9] modpost: Fix a buffer overflow in modpost Andi Kleen
2007-12-10 19:32   ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-12-10 19:57     ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-10 20:07       ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-11-22  2:43 ` [PATCH RFC] [6/9] Implement namespace checking " Andi Kleen
2007-11-22  2:43 ` [PATCH RFC] [7/9] Convert TCP exports into namespaces Andi Kleen
2007-11-22  2:43 ` [PATCH RFC] [8/9] Put UDP exports into a namespace Andi Kleen
2007-11-22  2:43 ` [PATCH RFC] [9/9] Add a inet namespace Andi Kleen
2007-11-22  3:03 ` [PATCH RFC] [1/9] Core module symbol namespaces code and intro Arjan van de Ven
2007-11-22  3:37   ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-22  3:52 ` Dave Jones
2007-11-22  3:56 ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-22  8:41   ` Dave Young
2007-11-22 18:19     ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-23  2:06       ` Dave Young
2007-11-22 11:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-11-23  0:25     ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-23  1:36       ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-23  3:35         ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-23 19:53           ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-24  4:53             ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-24 12:39               ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-26  1:23                 ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-22 11:46   ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-23  0:29     ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-25 20:29       ` Roland Dreier
2007-11-26  1:25         ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-26  5:58           ` Roland Dreier
2007-11-27  4:26             ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-27 10:50               ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-27 13:58                 ` Herbert Xu
2007-11-27 14:12                   ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-27 14:36                     ` Herbert Xu
2007-11-27 20:02                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-11-28  1:34                 ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-22 11:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-11-22 11:54   ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-22 12:03     ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-11-22 12:01 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2007-11-22 18:17   ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-25 20:27 ` Roland Dreier
2007-11-26  1:28   ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-26  6:15     ` Roland Dreier
2007-11-27  4:49       ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-27  5:35         ` Tom Tucker
2007-11-27  9:02           ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-27 17:24             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-27 17:15           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-27 17:45             ` Tom Tucker
2007-11-27 18:59               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-28  1:27           ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-28  4:12             ` Tom Tucker
2007-11-27 15:43         ` Jonathan Corbet
2007-11-27 15:58           ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-27 16:33           ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-11-27 22:31         ` Jon Masters [this message]
2007-11-27 22:37           ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-27 23:00             ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-11-27 23:06               ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-28 16:48                 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-28 17:31                   ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-26 18:25     ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-11-26 22:18       ` Roland Dreier
2007-11-27 19:00       ` Dave Jones
2007-11-27 21:09         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-27 21:15           ` Rick Jones
2007-11-27 21:38             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-28  2:01               ` Rick Jones
2007-11-27 21:25           ` Dave Jones
2007-11-27 23:00           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-11-29 16:53       ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-11-30  2:18         ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-29  9:55 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-11-29 10:00   ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-29 10:21     ` Arnd Bergmann

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