From: "Zhang, Yanmin" <yanmin_zhang@linux.intel.com>
To: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: sched_yield: delete sysctl_sched_compat_yield
Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:35:07 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1196674507.25646.134.camel@ymzhang> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200712032017.19661.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
On Mon, 2007-12-03 at 20:17 +1100, Nick Piggin wrote:
> On Monday 03 December 2007 19:45, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > * Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> > > On Friday 30 November 2007 21:08, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > > > * Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> > > > > Haven't we been asking JVMs to use futexes or posix locking for years
> > > > > and years now? [...]
> > > >
> > > > i'm curious, with what JVM was it tested and where's the source so i
> > > > can fix their locking for them? Can the problem be reproduced with:
> > >
> > > Sure, but why shouldn't the compat behaviour be the default, and the
> > > sysctl go away?
> > >
> > > It makes older JVMs work better, it is slightly closer to the old
> > > behaviour, and it is arguably a less surprising result.
> >
> > as far as desktop apps such as firefox goes, the exact opposite is true.
> > We had two choices basically: either a "more agressive" yield than
> > before or a "less agressive" yield. Desktop apps were reported to hurt
> > from a "more agressive" yield (firefox for example gets some pretty bad
> > delays), so we defaulted to the less agressive method. (and we defaulted
> > to that in v2.6.23 already)
>
> Yeah, I doubt the 2.6.23 scheduler will be usable for distros though...
>
>
> > Really, in this sense volanomark is another
> > test like dbench - we care about it but not unconditionally and in this
> > case it's a really silly API use that is at the center of the problem.
>
> Sure, but do you whether _real_ java server applications are OK?
I did a simple check of openjvm source codes and garbage collecter calls
Thread.yield. It really has much impact on both Jrockit and openJVM although
the regression percentage is different.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-12-03 9:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-11-27 9:33 sched_yield: delete sysctl_sched_compat_yield Zhang, Yanmin
2007-11-27 11:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-27 22:57 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-11-30 2:46 ` Nick Piggin
2007-11-30 2:51 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-11-30 3:02 ` Nick Piggin
2007-11-30 3:15 ` Zhang, Yanmin
2007-11-30 3:29 ` Nick Piggin
2007-11-30 4:32 ` Zhang, Yanmin
2007-11-30 10:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-03 4:27 ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-03 8:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-03 9:17 ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-03 9:35 ` Zhang, Yanmin [this message]
2007-12-03 9:57 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-03 10:15 ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-03 10:33 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-03 11:02 ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-03 11:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-03 17:04 ` David Schwartz
2007-12-03 17:37 ` Chris Friesen
2007-12-03 19:12 ` David Schwartz
2007-12-03 19:56 ` Chris Friesen
2007-12-03 21:39 ` Mark Lord
2007-12-03 21:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-03 21:57 ` Mark Lord
2007-12-03 22:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-03 22:18 ` Mark Lord
2007-12-03 22:33 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-04 0:18 ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-04 0:30 ` David Schwartz
2007-12-04 2:09 ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-04 1:02 ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-03 9:41 ` Zhang, Yanmin
2007-12-03 10:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-03 9:29 ` Zhang, Yanmin
2007-12-03 10:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-04 6:40 ` Zhang, Yanmin
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