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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	trem <tremyfr@yahoo.fr>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Subject: Re: 2.6.24-rc6-mm1
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 12:24:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1199273047.6821.119.camel@twins> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200801022212.29303.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>


On Wed, 2008-01-02 at 22:12 +1100, Nick Piggin wrote:
> On Wednesday 02 January 2008 22:01, Peter Zijlstra wrote:

> > I've seen 1s+ desktop latencies due to PREEMPT_BKL when I was still
> > using reiserfs.
> 
> Fair enough; so the former ifdefery would be preferable for now then.

To be honest, I must mention that the load that did that was a kernel
build -j5 on a dual socket Athlon MP box. With a current kernel and XFS
that load is making the box slow but its still very servicable.

> > Both reiserfs and tty were fighting for the bkl and massive prio
> > inversion ensued. Turning PREEMPT_BKL off made the system usable again.
> 
> Are either of those subsystems actually using the BKL to protect against
> anything else (than themselves)?

I doubt it.

IIRC Alan is working on getting tty BKL free.

>  It would be sweet to have them use
> private mutexes for the job instead (although even then it probably
> wouldn't be a straight conversion)...

I tried a quick conversion of reiser3 at the time, but it really wants a
recursive lock and I couldn't be bothered to fix a 'legacy' filesystem
so I just gave up and converted the filesystem to XFS.


  reply	other threads:[~2008-01-02 11:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <9DtBq-2jD-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <476EAF98.6040004@yahoo.fr>
     [not found]   ` <20071223121410.0d572e03.akpm@linux-foundation.org>
2007-12-24  1:25     ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Herbert Xu
2007-12-30 13:10       ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Ingo Molnar
2008-01-02 10:31         ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Nick Piggin
2008-01-02 11:01           ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Peter Zijlstra
2008-01-02 11:12             ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Nick Piggin
2008-01-02 11:24               ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2008-01-02 12:19                 ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Ingo Molnar
2008-01-02 13:26                   ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Alan Cox
2008-01-02 16:18                     ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Ingo Molnar
2008-01-02 22:49                       ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Alan Cox
2008-01-02 23:29                         ` tty + BKL [Was: 2.6.24-rc6-mm1] Jiri Slaby
2008-01-02 11:08           ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Ingo Molnar
2007-12-23  7:30 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Andrew Morton
2007-12-23 11:04 ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Ingo Molnar
2007-12-23 11:10   ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Ingo Molnar
2007-12-23 11:34     ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Andrew Morton
2007-12-23 11:57       ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Ingo Molnar
2007-12-23 12:12         ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Christoph Hellwig
2007-12-23 12:35 ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-12-23 13:00   ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Ingo Molnar
2007-12-23 13:48     ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-12-23 13:53       ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-12-23 20:09         ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Sam Ravnborg
2007-12-23 22:44           ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-12-23 23:09   ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-23 16:27 ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Torsten Kaiser
2007-12-23 20:39   ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Andrew Morton
2007-12-27 11:42     ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Torsten Kaiser
2007-12-27 14:30       ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Torsten Kaiser
2007-12-28 22:53   ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Torsten Kaiser
2007-12-28 23:07     ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Andrew Morton
2007-12-29 16:51       ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Torsten Kaiser
2007-12-30  1:30         ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Herbert Xu
2007-12-30  3:34           ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Torsten Kaiser
2007-12-30  5:41             ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Randy Dunlap
2007-12-31 20:15             ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Torsten Kaiser
2008-01-01 12:04               ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Herbert Xu
2008-01-01 12:59                 ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Torsten Kaiser
2008-01-01 18:29                   ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Torsten Kaiser
2008-01-02 18:29                 ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Torsten Kaiser
2008-01-02 21:51                   ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Herbert Xu
2008-01-02 21:57                     ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 J. Bruce Fields
2008-01-03  5:02                       ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Torsten Kaiser
2008-01-03 15:37                       ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Torsten Kaiser
2008-01-03 18:52                         ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 J. Bruce Fields
2008-01-04 10:23                     ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Torsten Kaiser
2008-01-04 13:30                       ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Jarek Poplawski
2008-01-04 15:21                         ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Torsten Kaiser
2008-01-04 21:24                           ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Torsten Kaiser
2008-01-05  0:07                           ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Jarek Poplawski
2008-01-05  8:01                             ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Torsten Kaiser
2008-01-05 10:13                               ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Jarek Poplawski
2008-01-05 14:52                                 ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Torsten Kaiser
2008-01-05 22:10                                   ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Torsten Kaiser
2008-01-06  1:25                                     ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Andrew Morton
2008-01-06  3:28                                       ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 FUJITA Tomonori
2008-01-06 10:41                                         ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Torsten Kaiser
2008-01-06 11:23                                           ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 FUJITA Tomonori
2008-01-06 11:35                                             ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Torsten Kaiser
2008-01-06 13:33                                               ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 FUJITA Tomonori
2008-01-06 20:03                                                 ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Torsten Kaiser
2008-01-07  6:16                                                   ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 FUJITA Tomonori
2008-01-08 15:59                                                     ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Ingo Molnar
2008-01-08 23:57                                                       ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 FUJITA Tomonori
2008-01-09  0:27                                                         ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Andrew Morton
2008-01-09  0:54                                                           ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 FUJITA Tomonori
2008-01-09  1:07                                                             ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Andrew Morton
2008-01-09  9:04                                                         ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Jarek Poplawski
2008-01-10  0:54                                                           ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 FUJITA Tomonori
2008-01-25 21:06                                                     ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Torsten Kaiser
2008-01-06  3:16                                     ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Torsten Kaiser
2008-01-06  8:27                                   ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Jarek Poplawski
2008-01-06 10:30                                     ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Torsten Kaiser
2008-01-06 14:52                                       ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Jarek Poplawski
2007-12-30 21:24       ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 J. Bruce Fields
2007-12-30 21:35         ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Torsten Kaiser
2007-12-31 13:17           ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Torsten Kaiser
2007-12-25 21:51 ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Andreas Mohr
2007-12-26  8:37 ` 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 Dave Young

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