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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com>
Cc: Hidetoshi Seto <seto.hidetoshi@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] Customize sched domain via cpuset
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:59:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1207051150.8514.723.camel@twins> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080401065534.a6267b96.pj@sgi.com>

On Tue, 2008-04-01 at 06:55 -0500, Paul Jackson wrote:
> Interesting ...
> 
> So, we have two flags here.  One flag "sched_wake_idle_far" that will
> cause the current task to search farther for an idle CPU when it wakes
> up another task that needs a CPU on which to run, and the other flag
> "sched_balance_newidle_far" that will cause a soon-to-idle CPU to search
> farther for a task it might pull over and run, instead of going idle.
> 
> I am tempted to ask if we should not elaborate this in one dimension,
> and simplify it in another dimension.
> 
> First the simplification side: do we need both flags?  Yes, they are
> two distinct cases in the code, but perhaps practical uses will always
> end up setting both flags the same way.  If that's the case, then we
> are just burdening the user of these flags with understanding a detail
> that didn't matter to them: did a waking task or an idle CPU provoke
> the search?  Do you have or know of a situation where you actually
> desire to enable one flag while disabling the other?
> 
> For the elaboration side: your proposal has just two-level's of
> distance, near and far.  Perhaps, as architectures become more
> elaborate and hierarchies deeper, we would want N-level's of distance,
> and the ability to request such load balancing for all levels "n"
> for our choice of "n" <= N.
> 
> If we did both the above, then we might have a single per-cpuset file
> that took an integer value ... this "n".  If (n == 0), that might mean
> no such balancing at all.  If (n == 1), that might mean just the
> nearest balancing, for example, to the hyperthread within the same core,
> on some current Intel architectures.  If (n == 2), then that might mean,
> on the same architectures, that balancing could occur across cores
> within the same package.  If (n == 3) then that might mean, again on
> that architecture, that balancing could occur across packages on the
> same node board.  As architectures evolve over time, the exact details
> of what each value of "n" mean would evolve, but always higher "n"
> would enable balancing across a wider portion of the system.
> 
> Please understand I am just brain storming here.  I don't know that
> the alternatives I considered above are preferrable or not to what
> your patch presents.

FWIW I like your suggestions.


  reply	other threads:[~2008-04-01 11:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-01 11:26 [PATCH 1/2] Customize sched domain via cpuset Hidetoshi Seto
2008-04-01 11:40 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-01 11:56   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-01 13:29     ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-01 13:38       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-01 11:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-01 11:55 ` Paul Jackson
2008-04-01 11:59   ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2008-04-02  8:39   ` Hidetoshi Seto
2008-04-02 11:14     ` Paul Jackson
2008-04-03  3:21       ` Hidetoshi Seto
2008-04-03 10:46         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-03 12:56         ` Paul Jackson
2008-04-03 13:14         ` Paul Jackson
2008-04-04  9:10 ` [PATCH 1/2] Customize sched domain via cpuset (v2) Hidetoshi Seto
2008-04-04  9:11 ` [PATCH 2/2] " Hidetoshi Seto
2008-04-10 14:53   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-14  1:45     ` Hidetoshi Seto
2008-04-14 15:38       ` Paul Jackson

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