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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
Cc: Bart Van Assche <bart.vanassche@gmail.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>,
	Roland Dreier <rdreier@cisco.com>,
	Ingo Oeser <ioe-lkml@rameria.de>,
	Daniel Walker <dwalker@mvista.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: API documentation (was [PATCH] Replace completions with semaphores)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:33:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1208194395.7129.13.camel@twins> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <16641.1208193124@vena.lwn.net>

On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 11:12 -0600, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> Bart Van Assche <bart.vanassche@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > The LWN book is getting outdated after all the 2.6 kernel API changes,
> > and the page with 2.6 kernel API changes was last updated six months
> > ago. Where can a kernel developer find up to date information about
> > kernel programming ?
> 
> The failure to update the API changes page is just me not managing to
> get around to it.  I'll do my best to take care of that in the next few
> days.  Apologies for that.
> 
> Updating LDD (which isn't really "the LWN book" though it's hosted here)
> will take a little longer.  I'd like to find a way to produce an LDD4
> with quality at least as good as LDD3, but which doesn't fill the world
> with immediately-obsolete bricks of dead trees.  Still working on it...

Books should only be used to obtain the general picture, any details
will be instantly-obsolete, esp at the pace Linux changes.

Most of the concepts from LDD3 are still valid, many of the details are
dead wrong.

Can't we make LDD4 a high level book, explcitly mentioning how people
should go about obtaining details? Like go ask on #kernelnewbies and the
sorts.

The thing I always tell #kernelnewbies people is to look at a related
driver (of course that kite doesn't always fly). Another good way to
learn stuff is to just read the implementation.

A 'trick' that is often useful is to look in git to see how something
was changed, provided you knew how to do it some time in the past.




  reply	other threads:[~2008-04-14 17:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-11 21:00 [PATCH] Replace completions with semaphores Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-12  6:43 ` Daniel Walker
2008-04-12 10:31   ` Ingo Oeser
2008-04-12 12:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-12 17:26   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-12 18:01     ` Daniel Walker
2008-04-12 18:05     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-12 19:04       ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-12 19:16         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-12 19:53     ` Roland Dreier
2008-04-12 20:47       ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-13  7:08         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-13 12:57           ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-14 15:39             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-14 15:58               ` Roland Dreier
2008-04-14 16:32                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-14 16:56                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-14 17:50                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-14 17:46                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-14 17:54                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-14 18:09                       ` Daniel Walker
2008-04-14 19:16                       ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-15  6:18                         ` Bart Van Assche
2008-04-15  6:46                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-15  7:17                             ` Bart Van Assche
2008-04-15  8:44                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-15 13:15                                 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-04-15 16:09                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-15 16:27                                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-15 16:57                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-15 17:05                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-15 18:50                                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-16 12:37                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-16 12:50                                             ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-16 12:59                                               ` Killable stat/readdir Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-15 17:15                                       ` [PATCH] Replace completions with semaphores Andi Kleen
2008-04-15 17:26                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-15 17:41                                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-15 18:14                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-16 16:07                                               ` Ingo Oeser
2008-04-16 16:16                                                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-16 16:31                                                   ` Oliver Neukum
2008-04-16 16:34                                                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-16 16:42                                                       ` Oliver Neukum
2008-04-16 16:44                                                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-16 16:47                                                           ` Roland Dreier
2008-04-16 16:50                                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-16 16:58                                                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-16 17:08                                                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-16 17:12                                                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-16 18:10                                                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-14 19:16                       ` Alan Cox
2008-04-13 14:55           ` Bart Van Assche
2008-04-14 17:12             ` API documentation (was [PATCH] Replace completions with semaphores) Jonathan Corbet
2008-04-14 17:33               ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2008-04-14 18:38                 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-04-13 13:55       ` [PATCH] Replace completions with semaphores Bart Van Assche
2008-04-13 14:22         ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-13  7:05   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-13 12:52     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-14 15:41       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-14 17:46         ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-14 16:54       ` Jens Axboe

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