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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	pm list <linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	ACPI Devel Maling List <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Alexey Starikovskiy <astarikovskiy@suse.de>,
	David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.org>,
	Nigel Cunningham <ncunningham@crca.org.au>,
	Jesse Barnes <jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] PM: Introduce new top level suspend and hibernation callbacks (rev. 8)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 06:48:50 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1208206130.6958.178.camel@pasglop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0804141105460.2406-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>


On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 11:13 -0400, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> 
> >     "you can assume that the user space is there while ->prepare() is running,
> >     but you are supposed to prevent new children of the device from being
> >     registered from that point on _and_ you have to make sure that freezable
> >     tasks will be able to freeze after ->prepare() has run" (but why on Earth a
> >     driver writer is now required to know what's a freezable task etc.?)
> 
> This reminds me...  We're going to need a way to make certain
> activities mutually exclusive with system sleep.  The simplest example
> is loading a kernel module; init and probe routines often end up
> causing new child devices to be registered.
> 
> The most straightforward approach is to use an rwsem like the one we 
> used to have.  However I'm concerned that under some circumstances 
> there might be recursive read-locking.  (For example, the init routine 
> in a newly-loaded module decides to load yet another module.  Can this 
> actually happen?  libusual does something much like it.)
> 
> So it's quite possible we'll end up needing a mechanism that resembles 
> an rwsem but allows recursive (properly nested) read-locking.  Does 
> such a thing exist already, or would it have to be invented?

Despite what Oliver says, that's a perfect example where the module load
syscalls should return an error. Maybe something like -EAGAIN would do
tho... that might need a minor update of the module init tools so they
retry instead of failing.

Ben.



  reply	other threads:[~2008-04-14 20:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-03 23:11 [PATCH 0/3] PM: New suspend and hibernation callbacks Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-03 23:12 ` [PATCH 1/3] PM: Introduce new top level suspend and hibernation callbacks (rev. 7) Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-12  0:23   ` Greg KH
2008-04-13 13:31     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 13:33       ` [PATCH 1/3] PM: Introduce new top level suspend and hibernation callbacks (rev. 8) Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 21:05         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-04-13 21:39           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 22:10             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-04-13 22:27               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 22:47                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-04-13 23:08                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 23:46                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-04-14  0:31                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-14  0:46                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-04-14  1:09                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-14  3:23                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-04-14  6:43                               ` Oliver Neukum
2008-04-14  7:23                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-04-14  7:37                                   ` Oliver Neukum
2008-04-14  7:50                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-04-14 12:11                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-14 15:13                                 ` Alan Stern
2008-04-14 20:48                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2008-04-14 14:49                               ` Alan Stern
2008-04-14 20:41                                 ` Oliver Neukum
2008-04-14  1:37                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2008-04-14 12:25                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 23:11                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2008-04-13 23:17                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 23:29                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2008-04-13 23:23                     ` Alan Stern
2008-04-13 23:33                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 23:49                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-04-13 23:48                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-04-14  0:07                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-14  0:40                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-04-14  0:59                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-14  0:43                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-04-14  0:50                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-14  4:47                   ` David Brownell
2008-04-14 12:34                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-14 14:51                     ` Alan Stern
2008-04-14 20:47                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-04-14 21:21                       ` Pavel Machek
2008-04-14 10:55                   ` Pavel Machek
2008-04-14 20:45                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-04-14 20:56                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-15 19:27         ` patch pm-introduce-new-top-level-suspend-and-hibernation-callbacks.patch added to gregkh-2.6 tree gregkh
2008-04-13 13:33       ` [PATCH 2/3] PM: New suspend and hibernation callbacks for platform bus type (rev. 3) Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-15 19:27         ` patch pm-new-suspend-and-hibernation-callbacks-for-platform-bus-type.patch added to gregkh-2.6 tree gregkh
2008-04-13 13:34       ` [PATCH 3/3] PM: New suspend and hibernation callbacks for PCI bus type (rev. 4) Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-15 19:27         ` patch pm-new-suspend-and-hibernation-callbacks-for-pci-bus-type.patch added to gregkh-2.6 tree gregkh
2008-04-29 22:26         ` PM: New suspend and hibernation callbacks for PCI bus type Greg KH
2008-04-30 12:09           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-03 23:13 ` [PATCH 2/3] PM: New suspend and hibernation callbacks for platform bus type (rev. 3) Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-03 23:15 ` [PATCH 3/3] PM: New suspend and hibernation callbacks for PCI " Rafael J. Wysocki

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