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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Breakage caused by unreviewed patch in x86 tree
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:03:59 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1209337439.3801.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080427155803.73f0efcf@laptopd505.fenrus.org>

On Sun, 2008-04-27 at 15:58 -0700, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:51:25 -0400
> James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> wrote:
> 
> > This patch:
> > 
> > commit 6371b495991debfd1417b17c2bc4f7d7bae05739
> > Author: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
> > Date:   Wed Jan 30 13:33:40 2008 +0100
> > 
> >     x86: change ioremap() to default to uncached
> > 
> > As far as I can tell went blindly into the x86 tree without being
> > shared on any mailing list at all.  How can something that completely
> > alters the semantics of ioremap on x86 platforms go in without any
> > review.

> it changed from "whatever coinflip you got" to "predictable outcome". 
> What you got before was uncached (most of the time), or if the bios was
> creative, write combining. Or if the bios was broken in how it set up MTRR's, you could suddenly
> get "cached".

My major complaint is the lack of review and notice, not the actual
patch.

> When you're mapping device memory, uncached is the safe default. 

Well, for certain device mailboxes, uncached does mean less performant.
The voyager breakage was exceptional ... I expect other problems just to
result in a loss of performance that caching gave by improving the
bursting.  If we're lucky, the PCI bridge cache might hide a lot of
this.

> With the switch to PAT (and phasing out of MTRR), the kernel needs to pick one of the three
> (cached, writecombining, uncached) since you can no longer really depend on MTRRs saving
> your bacon there. 
> Drivers in general, with VERY few exceptions, want uncached. Any other choice would have been deadly...
> 
> I'd like to ask you which one you would pick... you maintain a whole bunch of drivers as scsi maintainer, what would
> you have picked?
> The answer "whatever the MTRR set up" no longer holds ;(

I wouldn't have picked ... I'd have asked for input.

James



  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-04-27 23:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-27 20:51 Breakage caused by unreviewed patch in x86 tree James Bottomley
2008-04-27 20:53 ` David Miller
2008-04-27 21:48 ` [patch] x86, voyager: fix ioremap_nocache() Ingo Molnar
2008-04-27 22:05   ` James Bottomley
2008-04-27 22:36     ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-27 22:41     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-27 23:18     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-27 23:31       ` David Miller
2008-04-28  0:31         ` Rik van Riel
2008-04-28  0:45           ` Al Viro
2008-04-28  0:52             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-28  9:01         ` Alan Cox
2008-04-28  9:17           ` David Miller
2008-04-28  9:48             ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-28 11:50             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-28  6:10       ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-28 16:55         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:34   ` James Bottomley
2008-04-27 22:39     ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-27 22:44       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:46       ` David Miller
2008-04-27 22:52         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:58           ` David Miller
2008-04-27 23:04             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-30 20:35               ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-04-27 23:34           ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-27 23:39             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:53         ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-27 22:56           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:59             ` David Miller
2008-04-27 23:02             ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-27 23:14               ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-27 23:01         ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-30 21:44           ` James Bottomley
2008-04-30 22:39             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 23:01       ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-04-28 14:10       ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-28 14:29         ` James Bottomley
2008-04-28 15:07           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-28 19:59             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:00 ` Breakage caused by unreviewed patch in x86 tree H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:10   ` James Bottomley
2008-04-27 22:13     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:18       ` James Bottomley
2008-04-27 22:31         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:58 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-27 23:00   ` David Miller
2008-04-27 23:07     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-27 23:03   ` James Bottomley [this message]
2008-04-27 23:11     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-27 23:17     ` H. Peter Anvin

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