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From: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@ftp.linux.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [announce] "kill the Big Kernel Lock (BKL)" tree
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 22:45:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1210884355.6524.21.camel@lappy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080515132713.18f1b953@infradead.org>

On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 13:27 -0700, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> On Thu, 15 May 2008 10:41:54 -0700 (PDT)
> Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > So looking a bit more at your trivial fixups, I'd suggest strongly
> > that they be re-organized a bit.
> 
> > >
> > > diff --git a/net/sunrpc/sched.c b/net/sunrpc/sched.c
> > > index 6eab9bf..e12e571 100644
> > > --- a/net/sunrpc/sched.c
> > > +++ b/net/sunrpc/sched.c
> > > @@ -224,9 +224,15 @@ EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(rpc_destroy_wait_queue);
> > >  
> > >  static int rpc_wait_bit_killable(void *word)
> > >  {
> > > +	int bkl = kernel_locked();
> > > +
> > >  	if (fatal_signal_pending(current))
> > >  		return -ERESTARTSYS;
> > > +	if (bkl)
> > > +		unlock_kernel();
> > >  	schedule();
> > > +	if (bkl)
> > > +		lock_kernel();
> > >  	return 0;
> > >  }
> > 
> > The above doesn't even work in general. It depends on having just a
> > single level of locking, and is ugly to boot. So wow about we just
> > expose some version of
> > 
> > 	depth = release_kernel_lock()
> > 	..
> > 	reacquire_kernel_lock(depth);
> > 
> > to existing BKL users as a way to safely release and re-aquire it 
> > regardless of depth. That makes the code more generic, but it *also*
> > makes it more readable than that "if (bkl) [un]lock_kernel()"
> > sequence.
> 
> 
> can we make this even more specific/restricted? Like having something
> like
> 
> call_bkl_unlocked(function_pointer, argument);
> 
> or something that will internally do the full unlock and then the
> function call. The last thing we need is another nailgun that BKL using
> code can use to staple themselves to something big and fast moving.
> By having a more restricted interface... less likely.
> Maybe we can even get away with only a
> 
> drop_bkl_and_schedule();
> 
> and nothing else.

No, that would defeat the whole purpose of the exercise. This drop on
schedule property makes it possible to have inverse lock order and not
deadlock.

That also makes the manual re-acquire on a different level pretty ugly
and deadlock prone.

The whole purpose of this patch series was to get rid of this exact
problem so that the BKL turns into something that resembles a normal
lock within the regular locking hierarchy.


  reply	other threads:[~2008-05-15 20:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-14 17:49 [announce] "kill the Big Kernel Lock (BKL)" tree Ingo Molnar
2008-05-14 18:30 ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-14 21:00   ` Alan Cox
2008-05-14 21:13     ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-14 21:16       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-14 21:17         ` Alan Cox
2008-05-14 21:19       ` Alan Cox
2008-05-14 21:45         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-14 22:03           ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-15 13:34             ` Alan Cox
2008-05-15 14:27               ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-15 15:36                 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-16 10:21                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-15  8:02           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-14 18:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-14 19:41   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-14 20:05     ` Frederik Deweerdt
2008-05-14 21:45 ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-14 21:39   ` Alan Cox
2008-05-14 21:56   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-14 22:07     ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-14 22:14       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-22 20:20       ` Alan Cox
2008-05-16 15:44     ` [PATCH, RFC] char dev BKL pushdown Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-16 15:49       ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-05-16 16:03         ` [PATCH] kill empty chardev open/release methods Christoph Hellwig
2008-05-16 16:24           ` Alan Cox
2008-05-16 20:55           ` Alan Cox
2008-05-18 19:46             ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-18 19:58               ` Alan Cox
2008-05-16 16:22       ` [PATCH, RFC] char dev BKL pushdown Alan Cox
2008-05-16 16:30       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-16 16:43         ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-17 21:15       ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-05-18 20:26         ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-19 23:07           ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]             ` <200805200111.47275.arnd@arndb.de>
2008-05-19 23:14               ` [PATCH 2/3, RFC] watchdog " Arnd Bergmann
2008-05-20  6:20                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-05-20  8:30                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-05-20 15:47                     ` Wim Van Sebroeck
2008-05-20 18:31                       ` Alan Cox
2008-05-20 21:00                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-05-22  9:34                           ` Alan Cox
2008-05-20  9:08                   ` Alan Cox
2008-05-20  8:42                 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-19 23:26             ` [PATCH 1/3, RFC] misc char " Arnd Bergmann
2008-05-20  0:07               ` Mike Frysinger
2008-05-20  0:21                 ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-20  0:46                   ` Mike Frysinger
2008-05-20  8:46               ` Alan Cox
2008-05-20 23:01               ` Mike Frysinger
2008-05-20 23:25                 ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-21 16:22                   ` Mike Frysinger
2008-05-19 23:34             ` [PATCH 3/3, RFC] remove BKL from misc_open() Arnd Bergmann
2008-05-20 15:13             ` [PATCH, RFC] char dev BKL pushdown Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-20 17:21               ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-05-20 18:51                 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-17 21:58       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-18 20:07         ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-14 22:11   ` [announce] "kill the Big Kernel Lock (BKL)" tree Andi Kleen
2008-05-14 22:16     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-14 22:21       ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-15 13:30         ` Alan Cox
2008-05-15 15:05         ` John Stoffel
2008-05-15 15:10           ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-15 15:18             ` John Stoffel
2008-05-15 15:45               ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-15  8:44   ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-05-15 14:54     ` Diego Calleja
2008-05-14 21:46 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-14 22:11   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-14 22:15   ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-15 17:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-15 20:27   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-15 20:45     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2008-05-15 21:22       ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-17  0:14 ` Kevin Winchester
2008-05-17  0:37   ` Kevin Winchester

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