From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: ksummit-2008-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org
Cc: linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 12:20:12 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1211995212.3445.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In the spirit of having a more process than technical based kernel
summit, I'd like to put the topic of the kernel Janitors project up for
discussion.
In the early days, the project was conceived as a way of getting fresh
blood into kernel development by giving them fairly simple but generally
useful tasks and hoping they'd move more into the mainstream. If we
wind forwards to 2008, there's considerable and rising friction being
generated by janitorial patches. This is only an example:
http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=121135889328760
but there are many more. The greatest problem, as I see it is that by
pouring vitriol like this on newbies, we're really damaging our
reputation as a community that welcomes newcomers and strangling our
necessary supply of willing volunteers. On the other hand, as a
maintainer, when there's people yelling me at about patches not being
included plus a persistent regressions list and about ten bug reports to
track down, the last thing I want to see within a million miles of my
inbox is a white space fixing patch. The more of these patches we get,
the worse the problem becomes and the shorter and more inflammatory the
responses get. We can't go on like this.
The most obvious solution might be to shut the Janitors project down, or
at least more tightly manage its TODO list (although a lot of what gets
seen as janitorial patches, like whitespace fixes, isn't on the TODO
list in the first place). However, since the purpose is to get new
people involved with kernel development, perhaps we should repurpose the
project so it actually does this. My suggestion is that we replace it
with the kernel bugs project. Kudos for finding bugs, more for finding
better ways of finding bugs, and the most for finding and actually
fixing a bug.
Perhaps we should simply start the discussion with the premise that we
want to encourage new people to do useful work and draw them into the
development community and see where it leads.
James
next reply other threads:[~2008-05-28 17:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-05-28 17:20 James Bottomley [this message]
2008-05-28 17:43 ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-28 19:08 ` Rik van Riel
2008-05-28 20:15 ` Chris Mason
2008-05-29 10:34 ` Jiri Kosina
2008-05-31 8:38 ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-28 20:38 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-28 20:49 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-28 21:01 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-28 21:31 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-05-28 21:42 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-28 22:18 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-28 22:35 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-28 22:51 ` Greg KH
2008-05-28 23:23 ` Luck, Tony
2008-05-29 0:36 ` Greg KH
2008-05-29 1:00 ` Dave Jones
2008-05-29 2:26 ` Greg KH
2008-05-30 20:23 ` How many contributors are we losing Luck, Tony
2008-05-30 20:46 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-05-30 20:47 ` Greg KH
2008-05-30 23:37 ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] " Grant Grundler
2008-05-31 19:53 ` Stefan Richter
2008-05-30 21:01 ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] " Daniel Walker
2008-05-30 21:13 ` Hugh Dickins
2008-05-30 22:05 ` Luck, Tony
2008-05-30 22:53 ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-30 23:10 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-31 1:12 ` Josh Boyer
2008-05-29 6:12 ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project David Miller
2008-05-29 6:09 ` David Miller
2008-05-29 13:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-29 14:36 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-29 15:06 ` Jiri Kosina
2008-05-29 16:32 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-30 0:24 ` Stefan Richter
2008-06-02 10:32 ` Jiri Kosina
2008-06-02 10:43 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-29 17:37 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-29 20:24 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-31 19:21 ` Lars Noschinski
2008-06-01 16:09 ` store-same-blocksonce (was Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project) Pavel Machek
2008-06-02 8:18 ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project Paul Jackson
2008-05-29 2:27 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-29 5:58 ` David Miller
2008-05-29 6:17 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-29 12:45 ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-29 16:15 ` RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of the kernel David Woodhouse
2008-05-29 16:47 ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] " Greg KH
2008-05-29 20:29 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-29 20:47 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-29 20:55 ` Yinghai Lu
2008-05-29 20:59 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-29 21:03 ` Greg KH
2008-05-30 9:20 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-30 10:38 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-29 21:31 ` David Miller
2008-05-29 21:57 ` Yinghai Lu
2008-05-30 9:52 ` Takashi Iwai
2008-05-30 10:37 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-29 21:09 ` David Miller
2008-05-29 21:11 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-29 23:04 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-30 13:47 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-06-01 16:17 ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-06 14:46 ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-07 9:53 ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-08 11:13 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2008-05-29 22:11 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-30 18:37 ` Grant Grundler
2008-06-07 22:14 ` Alexandre Oliva
2008-05-29 19:12 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-29 21:17 ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] " Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-29 23:39 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-30 9:31 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-30 9:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-30 13:53 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-30 21:08 ` Alexandre Oliva
2008-05-30 23:14 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-31 14:05 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-31 15:10 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-30 1:27 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-29 21:18 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-30 1:22 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-29 20:54 ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project David Miller
2008-05-29 20:59 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-29 21:12 ` Greg KH
2008-05-30 1:25 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30 2:20 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-29 21:14 ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-29 21:39 ` David Miller
2008-06-01 14:11 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-06-01 14:24 ` James Bottomley
2008-06-01 16:21 ` s2ram video problems " Pavel Machek
2008-06-01 17:55 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-01 18:04 ` James Bottomley
2008-06-01 18:14 ` Matthew Garrett
2008-06-01 18:14 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-01 18:17 ` Matthew Garrett
2008-06-01 20:22 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-06-01 20:36 ` Matthew Garrett
2008-06-01 23:56 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30 1:20 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30 6:55 ` David Miller
2008-05-29 16:03 ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-30 0:40 ` Neil Brown
2008-05-29 14:26 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-29 11:32 ` Helge Hafting
2008-05-29 13:44 ` Adrian Bunk
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