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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com,
	ksummit-2008-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 16:17:19 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1212041839.8888.38.camel@pasglop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080528.225826.40264516.davem@davemloft.net>

On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 22:58 -0700, David Miller wrote:
> From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 12:20:12 -0500
> 
> > In the spirit of having a more process than technical based kernel
> > summit, I'd like to put the topic of the kernel Janitors project up for
> > discussion.
> 
> Not to distract from your points, but I think it's been a huge
> mistake to not allow folks to work hard on technical issues
> during the summit.

Having been stopped a couple of times last year when trying to bring
some technical subjects for the reason that they were "off topic, KS is
for process" I tend to agree :-)

There are some things that are hard to get through the list, or even
IRC, such as wanting to reorganize some part of the core and wanting to
get "live" input and discussion with most arch maintainers.

In my case it was some rework on some of the page table batching, for
which I finally didn't finish the work as I'm not too happy with what I
came up with, but I'm still somewhat convinced there's something to do
there and I could use a bit of a group beat-up in a room.

There are other areas like that which would benefit from that kind of
hard core tech discussion face to face.

However, on the other hand, KS is only 2 days, which doesn't leave room
for that much stuff. And I don't think splitting into sub-groups or
mini-summits is necessarily the answers. There are some areas where it's
useful to do the tech beatup -with- everybody in the room.

Just my 2 cents... Maybe we need 2 summits, the process one and the tech
one ? :-)

Cheers,
Ben.



  reply	other threads:[~2008-05-29  6:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-28 17:20 [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project James Bottomley
2008-05-28 17:43 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-28 19:08 ` Rik van Riel
2008-05-28 20:15   ` Chris Mason
2008-05-29 10:34     ` Jiri Kosina
2008-05-31  8:38       ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-28 20:38   ` James Bottomley
2008-05-28 20:49 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-28 21:01   ` James Bottomley
2008-05-28 21:31     ` Pekka Enberg
2008-05-28 21:42       ` James Bottomley
2008-05-28 22:18         ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-28 22:35           ` James Bottomley
2008-05-28 22:51             ` Greg KH
2008-05-28 23:23               ` Luck, Tony
2008-05-29  0:36                 ` Greg KH
2008-05-29  1:00                   ` Dave Jones
2008-05-29  2:26                     ` Greg KH
2008-05-30 20:23                       ` How many contributors are we losing Luck, Tony
2008-05-30 20:46                         ` Willy Tarreau
2008-05-30 20:47                         ` Greg KH
2008-05-30 23:37                           ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] " Grant Grundler
2008-05-31 19:53                             ` Stefan Richter
2008-05-30 21:01                         ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] " Daniel Walker
2008-05-30 21:13                         ` Hugh Dickins
2008-05-30 22:05                           ` Luck, Tony
2008-05-30 22:53                             ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-30 23:10                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-31  1:12                         ` Josh Boyer
2008-05-29  6:12               ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project David Miller
2008-05-29  6:09             ` David Miller
2008-05-29 13:24               ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-29 14:36               ` James Bottomley
2008-05-29 15:06                 ` Jiri Kosina
2008-05-29 16:32                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-30  0:24                     ` Stefan Richter
2008-06-02 10:32                     ` Jiri Kosina
2008-06-02 10:43                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-29 17:37                   ` James Bottomley
2008-05-29 20:24                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-31 19:21                   ` Lars Noschinski
2008-06-01 16:09                     ` store-same-blocksonce (was Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project) Pavel Machek
2008-06-02  8:18               ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project Paul Jackson
2008-05-29  2:27 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-29  5:58 ` David Miller
2008-05-29  6:17   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2008-05-29 12:45     ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-29 16:15       ` RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of the kernel David Woodhouse
2008-05-29 16:47         ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] " Greg KH
2008-05-29 20:29           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-29 20:47             ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-29 20:55               ` Yinghai Lu
2008-05-29 20:59                 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-29 21:03                 ` Greg KH
2008-05-30  9:20                   ` Alan Cox
2008-05-30 10:38                     ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-29 21:31                 ` David Miller
2008-05-29 21:57                   ` Yinghai Lu
2008-05-30  9:52                     ` Takashi Iwai
2008-05-30 10:37                       ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-29 21:09             ` David Miller
2008-05-29 21:11               ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-29 23:04                 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-30 13:47                   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-06-01 16:17                   ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-06 14:46                     ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-07  9:53                       ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-08 11:13                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2008-05-29 22:11               ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-30 18:37                 ` Grant Grundler
2008-06-07 22:14               ` Alexandre Oliva
2008-05-29 19:12         ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-29 21:17           ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] " Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-29 23:39             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-30  9:31               ` Alan Cox
2008-05-30  9:50                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-30 13:53                   ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-30 21:08                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2008-05-30 23:14                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-31 14:05                   ` Alan Cox
2008-05-31 15:10                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-30  1:27             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-29 21:18           ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-30  1:22         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-29 20:54       ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project David Miller
2008-05-29 20:59         ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-29 21:12           ` Greg KH
2008-05-30  1:25           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30  2:20             ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-29 21:14         ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-29 21:39           ` David Miller
2008-06-01 14:11             ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-06-01 14:24               ` James Bottomley
2008-06-01 16:21                 ` s2ram video problems " Pavel Machek
2008-06-01 17:55                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-01 18:04                   ` James Bottomley
2008-06-01 18:14                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-01 18:14                     ` Matthew Garrett
2008-06-01 18:17               ` Matthew Garrett
2008-06-01 20:22                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-06-01 20:36                   ` Matthew Garrett
2008-06-01 23:56                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30  1:20       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30  6:55         ` David Miller
2008-05-29 16:03     ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-30  0:40       ` Neil Brown
2008-05-29 14:26   ` James Bottomley
2008-05-29 11:32 ` Helge Hafting
2008-05-29 13:44 ` Adrian Bunk

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