From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>,
David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
ksummit-2008-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com,
David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of the kernel.
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 11:27:50 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1212110870.15633.17.camel@pasglop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1212095864.24826.2.camel@lappy.programming.kicks-ass.net>
On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 23:17 +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > If the firmware has a compatible license and is required for critical
> > operations like booting the machine, built-in firmware should remain an
> > option. For certain embedded cases, I could certainly see that
> > in-kernel firmware being the best method for firmware distribution, for
> > both $Platform's users and $Platform's developers.
>
> I certainly agree, pushing more and more into initrd just annoys the
> hell out of me.
>
> I'd argue to include everything needed to build (and esp cross build) an
> initrd into the kernel - up until that point initrds are useless.
Us kernel hackers tend to like self-contained netbootable kernels
that have everything needed to boot a machine all the way to a shell
prompt :-)
David's proposal however do provides for storing the firmwares in
the kernel image, so I have no objection there.
Ben.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-05-30 1:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-05-28 17:20 [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project James Bottomley
2008-05-28 17:43 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-28 19:08 ` Rik van Riel
2008-05-28 20:15 ` Chris Mason
2008-05-29 10:34 ` Jiri Kosina
2008-05-31 8:38 ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-28 20:38 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-28 20:49 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-28 21:01 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-28 21:31 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-05-28 21:42 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-28 22:18 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-28 22:35 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-28 22:51 ` Greg KH
2008-05-28 23:23 ` Luck, Tony
2008-05-29 0:36 ` Greg KH
2008-05-29 1:00 ` Dave Jones
2008-05-29 2:26 ` Greg KH
2008-05-30 20:23 ` How many contributors are we losing Luck, Tony
2008-05-30 20:46 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-05-30 20:47 ` Greg KH
2008-05-30 23:37 ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] " Grant Grundler
2008-05-31 19:53 ` Stefan Richter
2008-05-30 21:01 ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] " Daniel Walker
2008-05-30 21:13 ` Hugh Dickins
2008-05-30 22:05 ` Luck, Tony
2008-05-30 22:53 ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-30 23:10 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-31 1:12 ` Josh Boyer
2008-05-29 6:12 ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project David Miller
2008-05-29 6:09 ` David Miller
2008-05-29 13:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-29 14:36 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-29 15:06 ` Jiri Kosina
2008-05-29 16:32 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-30 0:24 ` Stefan Richter
2008-06-02 10:32 ` Jiri Kosina
2008-06-02 10:43 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-29 17:37 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-29 20:24 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-31 19:21 ` Lars Noschinski
2008-06-01 16:09 ` store-same-blocksonce (was Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project) Pavel Machek
2008-06-02 8:18 ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project Paul Jackson
2008-05-29 2:27 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-29 5:58 ` David Miller
2008-05-29 6:17 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-29 12:45 ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-29 16:15 ` RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of the kernel David Woodhouse
2008-05-29 16:47 ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] " Greg KH
2008-05-29 20:29 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-29 20:47 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-29 20:55 ` Yinghai Lu
2008-05-29 20:59 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-29 21:03 ` Greg KH
2008-05-30 9:20 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-30 10:38 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-29 21:31 ` David Miller
2008-05-29 21:57 ` Yinghai Lu
2008-05-30 9:52 ` Takashi Iwai
2008-05-30 10:37 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-29 21:09 ` David Miller
2008-05-29 21:11 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-29 23:04 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-30 13:47 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-06-01 16:17 ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-06 14:46 ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-07 9:53 ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-08 11:13 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2008-05-29 22:11 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-30 18:37 ` Grant Grundler
2008-06-07 22:14 ` Alexandre Oliva
2008-05-29 19:12 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-29 21:17 ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] " Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-29 23:39 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-30 9:31 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-30 9:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-30 13:53 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-30 21:08 ` Alexandre Oliva
2008-05-30 23:14 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-31 14:05 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-31 15:10 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-30 1:27 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2008-05-29 21:18 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-30 1:22 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-29 20:54 ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project David Miller
2008-05-29 20:59 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-29 21:12 ` Greg KH
2008-05-30 1:25 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30 2:20 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-29 21:14 ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-29 21:39 ` David Miller
2008-06-01 14:11 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-06-01 14:24 ` James Bottomley
2008-06-01 16:21 ` s2ram video problems " Pavel Machek
2008-06-01 17:55 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-01 18:04 ` James Bottomley
2008-06-01 18:14 ` Matthew Garrett
2008-06-01 18:14 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-01 18:17 ` Matthew Garrett
2008-06-01 20:22 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-06-01 20:36 ` Matthew Garrett
2008-06-01 23:56 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30 1:20 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30 6:55 ` David Miller
2008-05-29 16:03 ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-30 0:40 ` Neil Brown
2008-05-29 14:26 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-29 11:32 ` Helge Hafting
2008-05-29 13:44 ` Adrian Bunk
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